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Message 1064 of 1484 (834567)
06-08-2018 2:14 PM
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06-08-2018 2:04 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Right, that's the way things are going, redefining the understanding of millennia, no point in fighting it.

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Message 1067 of 1484 (834570)
06-08-2018 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1065 by Chiroptera
06-08-2018 2:16 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
There is no animosity against gays in the Biblical understanding that marriage was ordained by God for the purpose of joining the two sexes into one flesh. The idea that the rights and obligations of marriage should extend to gays is a bogus idea. But it now rules the land and those who are put in a position of having to deny it publically will be persecuted. It has nothing to do with real civil rights or real unfairness at all, it's just a direct confrontation with the law of God. Calling those who honor the law of God "bigots" and so on is a typical emotion-based way to vilify a class of people being set up for persecution. In Rwanda they called the class set up for annihilation "cockroaches." That's also what they did to the Jews in Germany. Now the class being set up is called "bigots" and "haters" to drum up public feeling against them. Reverse ideology but same tactics of Nazism. That's what's REALLY happening here.
Though right now animosity against Phillips' beliefs is legally condemned, I wouldn't be at all surprised if his "bigotry" overshadowed that in the end.
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Message 1070 of 1484 (834573)
06-08-2018 2:34 PM
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06-08-2018 2:30 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
That is a ridiculous twisting of the First Amendment but again, that's the way things are going, no point in fighting it.

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Message 1071 of 1484 (834574)
06-08-2018 2:37 PM
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06-08-2018 2:34 PM


Re: What about messages to other religiouns?
there is no biblical ordinance against a wedding between the two sexes whoever they are.

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Message 1073 of 1484 (834576)
06-08-2018 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1072 by NoNukes
06-08-2018 2:37 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
No, you are wrong. God's separation of the Jews from the heathen nations, and his harsh judgments of the heathen nations (but He also judged the Jews just as harshly), was about idolatry, not race, but were wrongly turned into a form of racism by the Jews, which can be seen in Jesus' time as the Gentiles are referred to as "dogs." But throughout the Old Testament the "stranger" is welcomed among the Israelites but must become a follower of their God. It's about God, not about race.
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Message 1074 of 1484 (834577)
06-08-2018 2:45 PM
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06-08-2018 2:37 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Right, how they "sound" is now the deciding factor, not anything about objective truth. So goes the world.

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Message 1078 of 1484 (834583)
06-08-2018 3:35 PM
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06-08-2018 3:22 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Benefits were extended to married couples to encourage marriage between the sexes and the raising of children. There's really no rational basis for extending them to any other kind of "couple" although I wouldn't fight finding some way to do it without official marriage myself, some of them anyway.
I guess nobody will ever appreciate the concept of protecting marriage as a social institution, as opposed to this ridiculous idea that gay marriage affects individual heterosexuals' marriages. That is such a bogus piece of nonsense.
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Message 1079 of 1484 (834584)
06-08-2018 3:38 PM
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06-08-2018 3:08 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
How wrong you are though thinking you are right.

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Message 1082 of 1484 (834587)
06-08-2018 3:44 PM
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06-08-2018 3:38 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Probably but they're wrong. This is a fairly recent revisionist reading of it. Of course the law is the law even if it's as wrongheaded as it's possible to be. Everything is upside down these days.

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Message 1083 of 1484 (834588)
06-08-2018 3:48 PM
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06-08-2018 3:43 PM


Re: What about messages to other religiouns?
You are rightg, it used to be that "religion" was understood to mean the Christian religion, but that's no longer the case. We are now going for full-fledged revisionist law and total paganism, and I don't see any way to stop it short of God's intervening, and I think He's probably at the point where He's just going to let it all play out as judgment against us. I know this makes no sense to you and nothing I say can change that so I just have to live with it.
If your standard conservative Protestant can use their religious beliefs to refuse to serve a same sex couple
For the bazillionth time, this is not about "serving a same sex couple," since they can have whatever they want EXCEPT a custom made wedding item. It's about MARRIAGE, jnot about gays. This makes the rest of your statement irrelevant since it's about persons, which this is not.
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Message 1085 of 1484 (834590)
06-08-2018 3:52 PM
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06-08-2018 3:50 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Right. Same old same old.
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Message 1090 of 1484 (834602)
06-08-2018 7:03 PM
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06-08-2018 4:31 PM


Re: What about messages to other religiouns?
Only half a century ago "God" would have meant the Christian God in America and probably Europe too. Yes that has changed. We've been through a huge sea change since then, going toward all out paganism, or maybe Islam will take us over first. Could be neck and neck.
In the time of the Founding I think more than 95% of the population considered themselves Christians and the great majority remained at least nominally Christian until the last half century or so.
Yes we will now have a pagan interpretation of our Constitution as we are getting a pagan culture that would support it. Quite right.
I'm sorry of course because the God of the Bible is the one true God and Christianity is the most beautiful thing that ever happened to the world, even apart from salvation through Christ's death which you won't find in any form in any other religion.
Lost the rest of the post. Oh well.
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Message 1092 of 1484 (834608)
06-08-2018 9:17 PM
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06-08-2018 8:56 PM


Re: What about messages to other religiouns?
Your utterly misplaced sarcasm at least provides something for me to answer.
Jefferson and possibly Washington supported the idea of protecting all religions under the First Amendment, not sure who else. After the Constitution was accepted many Christians protested that it betrayed the Christian foundations of the nation. And to grant protections to religions like Islam and Roman Catholicism that aim to subjugate the whole world to their system, by the sword and the Inquisition if necessary, is extreme foolishness. That is what the first settlers in America were fleeing and hoped to orevent getting a foothold in the new land. Too late now. Here we are and I'm accepting the handwriting on the wall.
And by the way don't get the idea I think there was anything perfect about the "Christian" era of the nation; it's probably due to our failures that we are under God's judgment now and our enemies are gaining in power.
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Faith 
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Message 1095 of 1484 (834617)
06-08-2018 11:35 PM
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06-08-2018 10:29 PM


Re: What about messages to other religiouns?
Both religions seek to grow their population to outnumber others and to gain political power thereby. That's the consequence of protecting the religion. Though it will mostly be the leaders and not the people who become the problem. Islam already gets special rights to protect their honor code and Sharia Law in their areas; we've already got a Jeseuit professor calling the Constitution so antiquated it should be done away with. Give it time. I'd like to think you were right about the power of the First Amendment and in the short run it works OK but you have to ignore trends of the sort I just mentioned, which we do because they seem like oddball individual situations; but they aren't, they are the tip of the spear; and I don't think you are right in the long run.
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Message 1100 of 1484 (834658)
06-09-2018 5:54 PM
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06-09-2018 11:58 AM


Re: What about messages to other religiouns?
I'm only concerned about the ones who want to rule the world and are willing to do it by violence. I think the Founders were very nave about that. If it was just a matter of individuals practing their beliefs, and their beliefs are not violent or destructive of society, no problem, but unfortunately that isn't the case with all religions. Even Hinduism has a violent side, at least in India, where they attack and kill Christians. But I don't think it has an agenda to make everybody Hindu. (I personally know an Indian pastor who has worked hard to build his church and an orphanage who would like to come to the US to go to seminary and get his daughters into school here but despite some American support doesn't have the money for it. He's survived typhoid twice and so far his family has survived the Hindu violence. Anyone want to contribute to his education in the US?)
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