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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Refusing ANY service to one person while providing it for another is not a symptom of loving thy neighbour. If you can't provide a service indiscriminately, you have no business being in the business at all - either on the basis of Christianity or on the basis of good citizenship. Nobody is persecuting gay people.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
The problem with freedom of religion is that if you extend rights to Presbyterians who are wrong and Methodists who are wrong and Anglicans who are wrong, you also have to extend rights to Baptists who are wrong and even Catholics who are wrong. That inevitably leads to extending rights to Jews who are wrong and then everything just starts slipping down the slope. Only half a century ago "God" would have meant the Christian God in America and probably Europe too.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
You seem to have lost the plot. What we're talking about here is gay marriage, not destroying society. The point is that your religious beliefs are as valid as anybody else's but society can not entrench you beliefs at the expense of everybody else's. You can believe until the cows come home that God hates homosexuality but you can not act on that belief any more than somebody else can act on his belief that infidels should be killed. Your beliefs are protected; your actions are not. If it was just a matter of individuals practing their beliefs, and their beliefs are not violent or destructive of society, no problem, but unfortunately that isn't the case with all religions.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
The only lie here is your misinterpretation of the Bible, coupled with your misinterpretation of the Constitution, your misinterpretation of history, etc. So dies Truth, the basis of western civilization, iinterestingly and ironically by being made to serve a lie.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
The truth died in you a long time ago, as evidenced by the fact that you're wrong about almost everything. You seem to embrace being wrong. You seem to like being wrong just for the sake of being wrong. So dies the Truth. Ignorance is curable. I don't know if determination to be wrong in all things is curable.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
The "natural family" is anybody who provides the child with what he/she needs physically, emotionally, etc. Don't confuse the "natural family" with the biological family. Any biological entity can have offspring; it's what they do with/for the offspring that makes a family - and that is what our laws should reflect. I thought I was talking about the basis for our laws which I surmised had the natural family in mind.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
What the law originally had in mind is not the only consideration. That's why we have courts to interpret the law and why we have legislatures to adjust the law to fit changing circumstances. Originally, the law didn't need to concern itself with cars and aircraft but now it does. Originally, the law didn't need to treat blacks, women and gays as humans but now it does. I'm talking about what I understand the LAW to have had in mind.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Feel free to point out the logic. Equating gays with blacks and women is a monumental failure of basic logic....And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
That isn't a "logical problem". It's you not recognizing what is commonly accepted as a fact. Similarly, not accepting that men landed on the moon is not a "logical problem". ...the logical problem is that gayness is not a natural inborn category as being black or female is....And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
The preference for partners of the opposite sex has special civil rights status. We're trying to fix that. And please name any such "preference" that should have special civil rights ststus.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
The only way to act on being black or female is to demand equal rights. Why is a homosexual demanding equal rights different? Acting on them is sin, and so is homosexual behavior. It is not like being born black or white or male or female.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
It's funny how you were wrong and then you changed your mind and you were still wrong. Yeah I used to believe there were no consequences to sin too.... We all know that there are consequences for our actions, whether our actions are "sin" or something else. When we get smacked down by the consequences, it isn't "God", it's reality.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
I don't know if Tangle would agree with me but I would say that "sin" is real - only it's internal. It's our conscience telling us we shouldn't do something and making us feel guilty after we did it. But the part where some alien overlord decides what is "sin" is superstitious garbage. It's ourselves and our society that decides what is "sin".
Calling the idea of sin "superstitious garbage" is what I was responding to. That implies there is no such thing as sin. Faith writes:
Well, no. That isn't clear at all. And the consequences are pretty clearly supernatural.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
I didn't say anything about social consequences. I mentioned reality - i.e. observable, physical consequences. Sexually-transmitted disease would be an example - real consequences as opposed to imagined "supernatural" ones. You aren't in a position to see that they are supernatural beause I haven't said enough about it and don't intend to; I'm telling you they are supernatural, they are not normal social consequences.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Your inability to recognize a natural connection doesn't mean there isn't one. Jumping to the conclusion of "supernatural" is superstition. Supernatural means no recognizable natural connection between the cause and the effect except a symbolic one.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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