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Author Topic:   Motley Flood Thread (formerly Historical Science Mystification of Public)
Faith 
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Message 509 of 877 (834677)
06-10-2018 12:27 AM
Reply to: Message 502 by Percy
06-09-2018 8:39 PM


Re: Video on the formation of the Grand Canyon
No I DON'T doubt that water would be forced out of rocks under compaction for pete's sake, this is just another of your weird misinterpretations. I suppose you aren't doing this purposely but I could almost wish you were so there might be some hope that you could sober up and stop doing it.
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Message 511 of 877 (834679)
06-10-2018 12:35 AM
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06-10-2018 12:34 AM


Re: Video on the formation of the Grand Canyon
That doesn't seem to have stopped you from telling us what he said.
I thought it was what he said, then I was corrected and now understand it's what the journalist said. But I am not going to assume she got it all that wrong anyway since from what Percy said she has a good reputation as a science writer..
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Message 512 of 877 (834681)
06-10-2018 12:49 AM
Reply to: Message 490 by PaulK
06-09-2018 10:54 AM


Re: The Smith cross-section
There is nothing about that diagram that changes anything I've said. Tilting on the surface usually reflects something going on underneath that isn't obvious. Siccar Point for instance, according to Lyell, shows that the strata that on the surface appear tilted are actually buckled in folds. In this case something else is going on, but it does not change the4 basic fact that the strata were laid down first and THEN deformed.
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Message 513 of 877 (834684)
06-10-2018 1:25 AM
Reply to: Message 494 by edge
06-09-2018 11:43 AM


Re: one fault line stream tributary vs meandering canyon
This is the reason that I no longer respond to all of Faith's posts. It's really annoying to be be dismissed so easily with denials and unsupported assertions.
Happens to me probably dozens of times more often than it happens to you. Not just denials and unsupported assertions but really really stupid straw man arguments. Even when I've given a good argument too. And I don't necessarily mean you but you too seem to have resorted to mostly one liners.
ABE: As a matter of fact I remember you from way way back just answering me with a couple of words, often "Why not?" or "Says you"
and so on.
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Message 516 of 877 (834689)
06-10-2018 3:52 AM
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06-10-2018 2:34 AM


Re: The Smith cross-section
Tilting is the appearance on surface and the fact remains that they are at an angle to the horizontal position of the4 original deposit, showing that the deformation occurred after all the strata were laid down, which is my main point;. That hasn't changed. Now that we can see the underground situation it remains true that they were all DEFORMED after they were laid down.
I can now "see" the right end but I can't make any sense of it. Whatever it is I'm sure it occurred after all the strata were laid down.

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Message 518 of 877 (834692)
06-10-2018 4:26 AM
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06-10-2018 4:21 AM


Re: The Smith cross-section
The fact remains that the cross-section shows clear evidence of deformation before all the strata were deposited.
It certainly does not. This kind of irrational assertion should be beneath you but obviously it's not. The strata were laid down and then they all sagged as you see, as a whole unit, leaving some ends at the sur4face from which no doubt much sediment was broken off and washed away. Enough nonsense. Cut it out.

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Message 525 of 877 (834709)
06-10-2018 3:24 PM


The diagram shows the deformation of the strata below the usual baseline. It had to have deformed since being horizontally laid down, that is, AFTER it was deposited, which is the only point I'm making.
Can't beat the authoritative-sounding willful assertion of total absurdities so I guess there's nothing more for me to say. Y'all win, enjoy your victory.

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Message 526 of 877 (834711)
06-10-2018 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 520 by JonF
06-10-2018 9:22 AM


Re: Strata eroded or deformed in blocks proves Geo Column / Time Scale over and done with
Yes. And erosion causes other things. Such as flat plains where the material is deposited.
Absolutely irrelevant to the point I'm making and therefore nothing but obfuscation.

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Message 529 of 877 (834715)
06-10-2018 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 528 by edge
06-10-2018 3:40 PM


But that isn't you only point. You are saying that all sedimentary layers were deposited before any deformation had occurred.
This is shown to be incorrect by the numerous contrary posts in this and other threads.
Only by some really convoluted wacko reasoning. You can't get those neatly "tilted" rocks in a row that way.
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Message 532 of 877 (834718)
06-10-2018 3:49 PM
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06-10-2018 3:48 PM


I did refute it. You can't get the neat row of tilted rocks on your scenario.;

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Message 537 of 877 (834725)
06-10-2018 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 534 by JonF
06-10-2018 3:57 PM


Re: Strata eroded or deformed in blocks proves Geo Column / Time Scale over and done with
It's crucial to the point you tried to make. You denied erosion causing flat surfaces. You listed some other things erosion causes, implying those are all that it causes. I pointed out that ain't so.
You can list other things caused by erosion till the cows come home, it still won't be a refutation of erosion causing flat surfaces. Or even relevant.
It is screamingly irrelevant what other things erosion causes, flat surfaces or anything else, where is your head? The point is that the erosion that carved the phenomena I'm talking about occurred after the strata were all laid down, and what erosion does otherwise has absolutely nothing to do with that. Same point about tectonic deformation. In the pictures I posted with the erosion pictures, it all happened after the strata were all laid down. This has nothing to do with anything else. You are having some other discussion that is just irrelevant to this one.
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Message 539 of 877 (834727)
06-10-2018 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 536 by edge
06-10-2018 4:05 PM


Uh, tectonic pressure of course, what does that have to do with anything we are talking about?.

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Message 540 of 877 (834728)
06-10-2018 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 538 by Percy
06-10-2018 4:32 PM


Re: Strata eroded or deformed in blocks proves Geo Column / Time Scale over and done with
By your definition huge continuous stretches of the Earth are a single block because they're at the surface and they're eroding. For example, the entire Colorado Plateau is a single block because it is a block of eroding strata.
Exposed strata erode, but that doesn't make them part of the same block. I think what you've made clear is that it is sufficient to say that exposed strata erode. And everyone already knew that.
I don't care if they erode or not, why does that matter? The point is they DIDN'T erode until they were all laid down as a block. How is that contradicted by the pictures? The strata are all neatly there, straight and flat as usual, the erosion having occurred to the whole block as a unit. And I've already said partial blocks make the same point, but you probably haven't got to that post yet so you are answering me out of turn as usual. As long as all that's available is a partial block, all of those examples show the same order of events: strata laid down followed by erosion, or strata laid down followed by tectonic deformation.
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Message 542 of 877 (834731)
06-10-2018 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 531 by PaulK
06-10-2018 3:49 PM


What you've got is deformation to strata as a unit or block, already laid down as a unit or block, in this case spanning all the time eras.

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Message 543 of 877 (834732)
06-10-2018 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 541 by PaulK
06-10-2018 4:47 PM


Re: Strata eroded or deformed in blocks proves Geo Column / Time Scale over and done with
We weren't talking about the Supergroup, why are you?:
There's nothing in the cross section of England that shows erosion before deposition.

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