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Faith 
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Message 1141 of 1484 (835349)
06-22-2018 12:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1140 by DrJones*
06-21-2018 11:46 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Religion is an ideology, a set of beliefs, it is not an emotional compulsion. What is your point? All I'm saying is that homosexual fee3lings are not in the same category as being born male or female of black or white or tan.
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Message 1143 of 1484 (835352)
06-22-2018 12:36 AM
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06-22-2018 12:24 AM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
You would really equate homosexual desire with such things as preference for blondes or brunettes? Oh come on!. And please name any such "preference" that should have special civil rights ststus.
Christians cannot endorse gay marriage because the Bible says marriage is between a man and a woman. That's in Genesis and Jesus quoted it. Otherwise homosexuals may live as they please. But the requirement that Christians honor gay marriage puts us in an untenable position.
We really should also worry about the amount of sin a society tolerates and western societies have been legally permitting all kinds of sins for decades that were formerly not permitted, easy divorce being one, which is a violation of God's law, multiple marriages, cohabitation of unmarrieds, freedom of speech granted to pornography, and of course the murder of the unborn. All that is permitted and legal now so why not gay marriage too. That is also now law and I'm sure there's no way to stop it as I keep saying, but the reason to be worried about all these things is that any society that endorses and encourages sin comes under God's judgment, and we are certainly there. That means the ultimate destruction of the society in many ways from economic to military to further cultural deterioration and so on, and it's worse for any society that formerly honored God. So I'd say that is something to worry about. And not for the sake of Christians because this isn't our ultimate home, but for the sake of all those unbelievers who deny such things and are therefore going to suffer dreadfully.
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Message 1145 of 1484 (835354)
06-22-2018 12:51 AM
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06-22-2018 12:48 AM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Protecting gays from discrimination does not require legalizing gay marriage, and besides that doesn't protect them anyway.

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Message 1147 of 1484 (835357)
06-22-2018 1:19 AM
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06-22-2018 12:58 AM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Your palpable hatred of "Christians" certainly validates the title of this thread. There are other ways discrimination against gays could have been legally dealt with besides gay marriage, but gay marriage specifically targets the Law of God and forces Christians to choose between disobeying God or disobeying the law when it requires us to recognize gay marriage.
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Message 1151 of 1484 (835362)
06-22-2018 6:39 AM
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06-22-2018 3:08 AM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
I didn't say homosexual inclinations were a choice, I thought I was pretty clear that they aren't, as the person experiences them they are just there. But that doesn't make them inborn like sex or race. I don't think my own sin proclivities were a choice either, I'm just that way, but since I have those proclivities I have the responsibility as a Christian to mortify them. Acting on them is sin, and so is homosexual behavior. It is not like being born black or white or male or female.
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Message 1152 of 1484 (835363)
06-22-2018 6:47 AM
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06-22-2018 2:10 AM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
God is in control of everything but we are nevertheless responsible for our sins and the Bible shows clearly that sin is the cause of all the pain and suffering on the planet, and the destruction of nations. If you know about this then it only makes sense that you warn people about it and hope that the nation will turn back from the inevitable judgment.
And as a matter of fact God has chosen some evil tyrannical leaders to be His instruments of judgment on a people.
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Message 1158 of 1484 (835381)
06-22-2018 4:39 PM
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06-22-2018 10:20 AM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Feelings aren't traits.

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Message 1160 of 1484 (835383)
06-22-2018 4:41 PM
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06-22-2018 7:42 AM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
I wasn't talking about mortifying sexual sins in particular, but all sins.
Sexuality itself isn't a sin but there are certainly a lot of sexual sins that need to be mortified and homosexual behavior is one of them.
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Message 1161 of 1484 (835384)
06-22-2018 4:44 PM
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06-22-2018 4:41 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Feelings have nothing to do with anything legal that I know of.

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Message 1163 of 1484 (835417)
06-23-2018 12:22 PM
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06-22-2018 6:19 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Faith writes:
Sexuality itself isn't a sin but there are certainly a lot of sexual sins that need to be mortified and homosexual behavior is one of them.
Superstitious garbage.
Yeah I used to believe there were no consequences to sin too, that it was all superstitious garbage, so I pushed the envelope pretty far and God smacked me down pretty hard for it, and I'm still reeling from the smackdown. I'm grateful for it though because it sure put an end to that modern conceit you are still laboring under.
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Message 1165 of 1484 (835420)
06-23-2018 12:36 PM
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06-23-2018 12:33 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Calling the idea of sin "superstitious garbage" is what I was responding to. That implies there is no such thing as sin. I found out there is. And the consequences are pretty clearly supernatural. Tangle may not have the courage to push the envelope as far as I did, which would suggest to me that he knows it's not superstitious garbage.
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Faith 
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Message 1167 of 1484 (835425)
06-23-2018 12:50 PM
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06-23-2018 12:47 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
I'm not talking about crimes, I'm talking about private sins, and I was an atheist at the time too.

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Message 1169 of 1484 (835429)
06-23-2018 12:54 PM
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06-23-2018 12:52 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
You aren't in a position to see that they are supernatural beause I haven't said enough about it and don't intend to; I'm telling you they are supernatural, they are not normal social consequences.

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Message 1171 of 1484 (835448)
06-23-2018 2:48 PM
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06-23-2018 1:03 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Supernatural means no recognizable natural connection between the cause and the effect except a symbolic one.
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Message 1173 of 1484 (835457)
06-23-2018 3:20 PM
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06-23-2018 3:04 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
There isn't a natural connction.

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