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Message 741 of 1484 (803392)
03-29-2017 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 738 by Faith
03-29-2017 2:46 PM


Re: don't rock the boat
Faith writes:
It's the concept, the definition of marriage that is destroyed.
If you'd said
"It's the concept, the definition of marriage that is destroyed, for me."
I think we could all understand, or at least accept, that you have a sincerely held belief, daft though we think it. The only squabble we have is that you try to project your beliefs on the rest of us. And you do that as if it's you're right.
I have sympathies for the beliefs and practices of all minorities but they must all be wrapped within a common set of rules that allow all to prosper. One sect's beliefs can not overwhelm all others - no matter how sincerely held.
You have a belief, fine, but you have to rub along with others that don't have that belief, surely you understand that?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 772 of 1484 (803451)
03-30-2017 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 771 by Faith
03-30-2017 5:10 PM


Re: don't rock the boat
....Timeout....

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 814 of 1484 (803576)
04-02-2017 7:37 AM
Reply to: Message 800 by Rrhain
04-02-2017 3:33 AM


Re: don't rock the boat
Rrhain writes:
Unfortunately, you are judged by your statements and how wrong they are.
I think you might be surprised at how your cherry picking and deliberate distortions of what I am saying in being judged. You're behaving like the zealots you oppose.
The LGBT community doesn't need your "help" no matter who much you claim to be an ally.
The LGBT community needs acceptance and that's what it has from me. It doesn't matter to me that you personally are a very poor representative of it - you deserve and will get my support if you are discriminated against in any way.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 887 of 1484 (803695)
04-03-2017 3:35 PM
Reply to: Message 885 by Faith
04-03-2017 3:08 PM


Faith writes:
Only a total idiot would think he's the only one who can read the Bible correctly. An arrogant total idiot.
Every so often you say something sensible. But you never notice.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 978 of 1484 (804180)
04-07-2017 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 976 by Dredge
04-07-2017 6:16 PM


Re: ICANTs concept of establishing a religion
Dredge writes:
Thanks for your post, Dawn; I like the way you think.
Omg. There can't be two of you?!
Objective morality can't exist of course
Right
and subjective morality can be literally anything you want it to be
Wrong
According to "science", murder is neither right nor wrong, because there are no rules.
Wrong. We have lots of rules. We call them laws.
No one can say to someone else, "My morality is good and yours is bad."
Wrong. I call Hitler and the Kmer Rouge's morality bad and so do you.
Science" also says the life of a human being is no more important than the life of any other organism - a mosquito, for example. So if killing a mosquito is not immoral, then neither is killing a human being.
Wrong. "Science" spends quite a lot of its time trying to eradicate mosquitos.
Appeals to survival are also rendered invalid, because "science" says human life doesn't need to exist ... in fact, no life needs to exist. If humans don't need to exist, then their morality certainly doesn't. Besides, "science" says that at some point in the distant past, hominoids existed that had no morality at all. So morality isn't necessary for survival. Morality came into existence as the result of mindless, random mutations, so it's as meaningless as the meaningless process that (supposedly) produced it.
My god you're a confused one aren't you? Instead of conflating what you wrongly think "science" says with some insane pseudo-philosophy, why not just say god is the source of human morality and have done with it?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 1027 of 1484 (834401)
06-05-2018 2:27 AM
Reply to: Message 1025 by Chiroptera
06-04-2018 7:53 PM


Re: Decision on Masterpiece Cakeshop is in
When I first read this I thought it fair enough that if the cake buyer was behaving in a prejudiced way himself then maybe it should cancel out the wrong.
But then I thought that two wrongs then *do* make a right.
If it's wrong to descriminate in your cake making, then it's wrong, regardless of the actions of the other party. At best, there might be mitigation because of it.
The way to right the wrong of the hostility and discrimination allegedly shown by the cake buyer is to prosecute him for it also.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 1075 of 1484 (834578)
06-08-2018 2:59 PM


Equality of treatment trumps special interests. That's the prime value that all modern democracies are striving for one way or another by long and meandering means
Another way of saying it is loving your neighbour and doing as you would be done by. Odd that people that call themselves the only 'true' Christians refuse to follow Christian teachings.
Why on earth we spend so much time reasoning with such deviants is even odder.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

  
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Message 1132 of 1484 (835303)
06-21-2018 3:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1131 by Faith
06-20-2018 8:37 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Faith writes:
Equating gays with blacks and women is a monumental failure of basic logic, but that's the way the world is going and there's no stopping it.
If the whole world was going that way it would be cause for enormous celebration but sadly it's really only in the 1st world that people are beginning to be treated equally and laws are in place to protect them against prejudice and discrimination. But it'll happen everywhere eventually, god willing.
It's a very Christian thing - love thy neighbour and do as you would be done by. You should try it, it might get you saved.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 1150 of 1484 (835360)
06-22-2018 3:08 AM
Reply to: Message 1135 by Faith
06-21-2018 3:38 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Faith writes:
the logical problem is that gayness is not a natural inborn category as being black or female is, it's primarily a behavior or an inclination.
Do you actually enjoy being wrong about everything? Homosexuality is NOT a choice.
If you doubt it, try making the choice yourself. Or is that your problem?
Along with bisexuality and heterosexuality, homosexuality is one of the three main categories of sexual orientation within the heterosexual—homosexual continuum.[1] Scientists do not know exactly what determines an individual's sexual orientation, but they believe that it is caused by a complex interplay of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences,[3][4][5] and do not view it as a choice.[3][4][6] They favor biologically-based theories,[3] which point to genetic factors, the early uterine environment, both, or the inclusion of genetic and social factors.[7][8] There is no substantive evidence which suggests parenting or early childhood experiences play a role when it comes to sexual orientation.[7] While some people believe that homosexual activity is unnatural,[9] scientific research has shown that homosexuality is a normal and natural variation in human sexuality and is not in and of itself a source of negative psychological effects.
Homosexuality - Wikipedia

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 1153 of 1484 (835365)
06-22-2018 7:42 AM
Reply to: Message 1151 by Faith
06-22-2018 6:39 AM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Faith writes:
But that doesn't make them inborn like sex or race.
So homosexuality is not inborn, like, you know, sex?
That's bizarre even for you.
I don't think my own sin proclivities were a choice either, I'm just that way,
God given you mean?
but since I have those proclivities I have the responsibility as a Christian to mortify them.
You want to 'mortify' the god given gift of sexuality?
Acting on them is sin, and so is homosexual behavior.
Religious rubbish.
It is not like being born black or white or male or female.
Apparently it is. Though it's more complicated - a mix of genetic, hormones and environment. And, btw, male and female is not black or white, nor is, well, black or white. They're all on a spectrum.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 1162 of 1484 (835387)
06-22-2018 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1160 by Faith
06-22-2018 4:41 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Faith writes:
Sexuality itself isn't a sin but there are certainly a lot of sexual sins that need to be mortified and homosexual behavior is one of them.
Superstitious garbage.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 1176 of 1484 (835476)
06-23-2018 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1163 by Faith
06-23-2018 12:22 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Faith writes:
Yeah I used to believe there were no consequences to sin too, that it was all superstitious garbage,
You were right.
so I pushed the envelope pretty far and God smacked me down pretty hard for it,
Delusional garbage. You pushed no envelope and god did nothing.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 1177 of 1484 (835477)
06-23-2018 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1165 by Faith
06-23-2018 12:36 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Faith writes:
That implies there is no such thing as sin.
Of course there isn't, it's just another religious invention.
I found out there is.
No you didn't.
And the consequences are pretty clearly supernatural.
No they weren't
Tangle may not have the courage to push the envelope as far as I did, which would suggest to me that he knows it's not superstitious garbage.
I know it's superstitious garbage. Now what?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 1178 of 1484 (835478)
06-23-2018 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1167 by Faith
06-23-2018 12:50 PM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
Faith writes:
I'm not talking about crimes, I'm talking about private sins,
There is no such thing as a private sin.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 1203 of 1484 (835619)
06-26-2018 3:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1201 by Faith
06-26-2018 2:57 AM


Re: Justice
Faith writes:
Calvinism does no such thing.
Something can't be both predestined AND changeable. Pick one.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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