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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Supernatural means no recognizable natural connection between the cause and the effect except a symbolic one.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Your inability to recognize a natural connection doesn't mean there isn't one. Jumping to the conclusion of "supernatural" is superstition. Supernatural means no recognizable natural connection between the cause and the effect except a symbolic one.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There isn't a natural connction.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I'm not talking about crimes, I'm talking about private sins, and I was an atheist at the time too. We are talking about Tangle's perspective and not your own. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
That's what we always say until we find one. There isn't a natural connction.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: Yeah I used to believe there were no consequences to sin too, that it was all superstitious garbage, You were right.
so I pushed the envelope pretty far and God smacked me down pretty hard for it, Delusional garbage. You pushed no envelope and god did nothing.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: That implies there is no such thing as sin. Of course there isn't, it's just another religious invention.
I found out there is. No you didn't.
And the consequences are pretty clearly supernatural. No they weren't
Tangle may not have the courage to push the envelope as far as I did, which would suggest to me that he knows it's not superstitious garbage. I know it's superstitious garbage. Now what?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: I'm not talking about crimes, I'm talking about private sins, There is no such thing as a private sin.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There isn't a natural connction. That's what we always say until we find one. Let me give you an example from scripture then. King David committed the sins of seducing Bathsheba, his neighbor's wife, and when she got pregnant having the neighbor killed so he wouldn't find out. This is understood by most preachers I've heard to have been the cause of the death of his infant son who was born to Bathsheba, and the rape of his daughter Tamar by his son Amnon, and the murder of Amnon by his son Absalom and the attempt by Absalom to take his throne, followed by Absalom's death. There are no natural connections between the sins and their consequences here, they are all spiritual or symbolic, in that they involve sexual sin and murder. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
You do understand what a symbol is, don't you? You can make a symbol of anything to make a point. It's a symbol because it isn't real. It isn't evidence for the supernatural. There are no natural connections between the sins and their consequences here, they are all spiritual or symbolic....And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
A symbol is a symbol because it shares the same content or meaning as the thing it symbolizes. The sin was adultery and murder, the consequences were rape and murder.
One amazing thing about history as shown in the Bible is that history itself, events the4mselves, are symbolic of other things. The spiritual nature of the universe is unrecognized for the most part but it is real and staggeringly impressive. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
This is understood by most preachers I've heard to have been the cause of the death of his infant son who was born to Bathsheba That's all fine, and a great summary of what the Bible records. The problem with that is that we don't see that kind of connection in very many cases of adultery and murder. Have you ever heard the story about Lazarus and the rich man? Do you remember when it was that God's justice was applied? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If you pay attention to your own life you might be able to recognize the kind of correspondence I'm talking about. Adultery and murder were King David's sins, I assume they are probably not yours, but whatever yours are, perhaps some you remember from your youth, you may be able to see God's dealings with them somewhere in your own personal history.
But the point if the example was just to answer ringo's claim that sin must have a natural consequence, like eating the wrong foods leads to heart attacks and that sort of thing. I don't get your question about Lazarus and the rich man. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I don't get your question about Lazarus and the rich man. Luke 16:19-31. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I reread it although I know it pretty well anyway, but I still don't get what you are trying to say.
The rich man went to hell after Lazarus died. Is that what you are referring to? Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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