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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
God's justice that you call monstrous is in fact righteous and good and just though fromn our point of view it seems unnecessarily harsh. His ways are not our ways, He is not a human being and He sees everything from a much higher perspective. You judge Him from our human feelings because we are not in a position to see things from His point of view. But scripture tells us His judgments are righteous. You either believe it or you don't.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Let your case stand, I'm fine with that. You are going to stick with it no matter what anyway.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
From our point of view we are not restricted in our freedom of choice by God's predestination. Period.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Fine, it's a particular branch of Christianity that will be challenged if that makes such a big difference to you but everything I said about that is true. Unless the Supreme Court decides to protect Christian wedding-related businesses from being sued and prosecuted for refusing to serve gay weddings they will have to go out of business or pay fines and so on. As I said, some freedom of religion. You can skip all the pedantic stuff about freedom of religion applying across the board because it's this particular Christian branch that's going to suffer because we oppose gay marriage on biblical grounds and won't compromise. If there are other religions with a similar position that run wedding based businesses that could get challenged, then we aren't alone, but at the moment we seem to be alone and you really didn't say anything that applies to the reality of the situation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh your case isn't wrong, based on your premises it's completely right and you should stand on it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You are the one who doesn't get it but there's no point in saying it again.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Hyro, I guess you missed it but all the wedding business owners were clearly refusing service for gay marriage and nothing else; it never had anything to do with gays as such, who receive all the other services available. It is not about discriminating against persons, it is about gay marriage, period. and I keep saying that myself in these discussions.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No RAZD, my religion is a life commitment, it isn't to be restricted by the world to wherever they want it to be confined, it is to be lived every day everywhere. So again, Christians will no longer be able to run wedding businesses, and if we are put in the position of being required to endorse gay marriage in any other way we will have to take the punishment.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
And as I've said a million times already, if it is not protected and we are confronted with a demand to honor gay marriage we will have to be punished for refusing.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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That's all true as long as there is no conflict between the human laws and God's law.
Acts 5:29
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Should I hang a "No Christians" sign in my reception area so that I don't have to "honor" their prayers? If you like.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The fact that god is just a meme implanted in minds of men, an extension of his ego. Technically, you are obeying men who are using their god meme as an authority. Yes and if society wants to make that definition law, and perhaps that will happen the way things are going, then religious freedom wiil be kaput for good.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I expect to face the consequences. Hasn't that been clear?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I've done both. If the law isn't going to be changed we have to take the consequences.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm thinking of many different ways Chrsitians could be put in a difficult position in relation to gay marriage, not just through a wedding business, but any way we are required to affirm gay marriage. Issuing marriage licenses was a challenge for one Christian. And I'm sure it doesn't always have to involve something official or to do with business. Since we can't affirm it we have to take the consequences. Going out of business is one consequence. Paying fines may be another. Going to jail may be another. Simply losing a friendship may be another, and that's not one to be taken lightly either.
I know there's no point since there is a determination here to spin this as personal feelings no matter what I say, but I will just say it again: this is not about any kind of "dislike" of gay people or anything to do with discrimination against them as people, since there was never a problem for Christian-run bakeries and florists and photographers serving gays in any other context, birthdays, other celebrations, or just wanting something sweet to eat or flowers for a party and so on, only weddings; it's about the law legalizing gay marriage. Because we see it as clearly a violation of God's ordinance of marriage. Period. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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