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PaulK
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Message 1246 of 1358 (835827)
07-02-2018 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1245 by Faith
07-01-2018 10:59 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
If you want to burn in Hell, that’s your choice.

You talk a lot about “breaking God’s Law” but you haven’t found one you would be breaking.

The whole thing is a secular issue and therefore the province of government anyway - at least according to Protestant thought.


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Message 1247 of 1358 (835831)
07-02-2018 8:00 AM
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07-01-2018 10:59 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
No, you've been arguing to change the consequences.
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Faith
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Message 1248 of 1358 (835832)
07-02-2018 10:05 AM
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07-02-2018 8:00 AM


Re: Belief vs Reality
I've done both. If the law isn't going to be changed we have to take the consequences.
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Message 1249 of 1358 (835838)
07-02-2018 11:37 AM
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07-02-2018 10:05 AM


Re: Belief vs Reality
we have to take the consequences.

Which consequences? Sell wedding cakes to people you don't like? Or not sell wedding cakes at all?



What do you despise? By this are you truly known. -- Frank Herbert

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Faith
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Message 1250 of 1358 (835839)
07-02-2018 11:51 AM
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07-02-2018 11:37 AM


Re: Belief vs Reality
I'm thinking of many different ways Chrsitians could be put in a difficult position in relation to gay marriage, not just through a wedding business, but any way we are required to affirm gay marriage. Issuing marriage licenses was a challenge for one Christian. And I'm sure it doesn't always have to involve something official or to do with business. Since we can't affirm it we have to take the consequences. Going out of business is one consequence. Paying fines may be another. Going to jail may be another. Simply losing a friendship may be another, and that's not one to be taken lightly either.

I know there's no point since there is a determination here to spin this as personal feelings no matter what I say, but I will just say it again: this is not about any kind of "dislike" of gay people or anything to do with discrimination against them as people, since there was never a problem for Christian-run bakeries and florists and photographers serving gays in any other context, birthdays, other celebrations, or just wanting something sweet to eat or flowers for a party and so on, only weddings; it's about the law legalizing gay marriage. Because we see it as clearly a violation of God's ordinance of marriage.

Period.

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jar
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Message 1251 of 1358 (835840)
07-02-2018 11:58 AM
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07-02-2018 11:51 AM


Thank God that God hs no standing
Thank God that God has no standing in a secular society and even the Bible supports common courtesy as overriding God's Laws.

But marriage is unrelated to any imagined God's Law anyway except in the mind of the Christian Cult of Ignorance, Biblical Perversion and Bigotry.


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Message 1252 of 1358 (835841)
07-02-2018 12:00 PM
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07-02-2018 11:58 AM


Re: Thank God that God hs no standing
See how far you get pushing Muslims or maybe even some other classes of religious believer on gay marriage. So far the law has only confronted Christians, but there are certainly other groups whose beliefs oppose it.
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jar
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Message 1253 of 1358 (835842)
07-02-2018 12:05 PM
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07-02-2018 12:00 PM


Re: Thank God that God hs no standing
Yawn.

If your beliefs oppose same sex marriage then don't marry someone of your same sex. But your problems and perversions are not relevant to society.


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Message 1254 of 1358 (835845)
07-02-2018 1:06 PM
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07-02-2018 12:00 PM


Re: Thank God that God hs no standing
See how far you get pushing Muslims...

Theocracy envy. Sad, and quite transparent.


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PaulK
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Message 1255 of 1358 (835850)
07-02-2018 2:38 PM
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07-02-2018 11:51 AM


Re: Belief vs Reality
If there is no problem with gays in general, why the pushback against insurance cover for gay partners? Even if they had a recognised civil partnership ?

If there was ever a compromise to be reached short of gay marriage, things like that killed it. And that’s on the “Christians”


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Message 1256 of 1358 (835884)
07-03-2018 11:53 AM
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07-02-2018 12:00 PM


Re: Thank God that God hs no standing
Faith writes:

So far the law has only confronted Christians....


It isn't the law confronting Christians. It's Christians confronting the law. And that's Christians confronting Paul.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith
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Message 1257 of 1358 (835890)
07-03-2018 1:30 PM
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07-02-2018 2:38 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
I don't kinow the history of all that but I'd guess it's also about what marriage is and what it's for and not about gays.
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PaulK
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Message 1258 of 1358 (835892)
07-03-2018 1:47 PM
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07-03-2018 1:30 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
If you don’t follow what’s going on that is your problem.

At least you can stop arguing that a compromise short of recognising gay marriage was possible. It wasn’t.


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Message 1259 of 1358 (838211)
08-16-2018 7:02 AM


Jack Phillips Has Found Another Cake He Can't Bake
Jack Phillips is at it again. He's the Colorado baker who gained national attention when his case fighting for his right not to bake cakes for gay weddings went to the Supreme Court. This time he has refused to bake a birthday cake for a transgender woman celebrating her seventh anniversary of coming out as transgender. Mr. Phillips suspects, not without cause, conspiratorial shenanigans since the request for the cake came on the same day that the Supreme Court accepted his case, June 26th of last year.

The complaint states:

quote:
Phillips declined to create the cake with the blue-and-pink design because it would have celebrated messages contrary to his religious belief that sex — the status of being male or female — is given by God, is biologically determined, is not determined by perceptions or feelings, and cannot be chosen or changed.

The birthday of the HRC (Human Rights Campaign, the largest LGBT group in the country) is coming up in October. We should all call Jack Phillips bakeshop (Masterpiece Bakeshop, 303-763-5754) at the end of September to order a cake in celebration. The writing on the cake should read, "Happy 32nd Birthday HRC".

Alliance Defending Freedom, a Christian legal nonprofit that funded Phillips previous case, said:

quote:
You would think that a clear Supreme Court decision against their first effort would give them pause. But it seems like some in the state government are hellbent on punishing Jack for living according to his faith. If that isn’t hostility, what is?

The first time around, it looked like Colorado was biased against people of faith. Now it just looks like the state is biased against people named ‘Jack Phillips.’ In moving ahead on this new case, the government is yet again confirming that it applies its law in an arbitrary and unequal way, which the Supreme Court has already said it cannot do.


Source: Baker claims religious persecution again — this time after denying cake for transgender woman

--Percy


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jar
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Message 1260 of 1358 (838213)
08-16-2018 9:46 AM
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08-16-2018 7:02 AM


Jack Phillips shows his utter ignorance yet again.
quote:
Phillips declined to create the cake with the blue-and-pink design because it would have celebrated messages contrary to his religious belief that sex — the status of being male or female — is given by God, is biologically determined, is not determined by perceptions or feelings, and cannot be chosen or changed.

It's a shame how ignorant so many particularly American Christians show themselves to be. The evidence, all of the evidence show that sex is NOT given by God, nor are male & female to only choices, nor must a critter be one or the other, nor is sex immutable and impossible to change. There are critters that are both male and female at the same time, ones that are male or female at different times, ones that are neither male or female, ones who are male or female depending on the temperature of the nest and even ones that change their sex based on population dynamics.

Jack Phillips like Jack Chick is simply an embarrassment to all Christians capable of thought or honesty.


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