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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Yes, I realise that, but it doesn't seem as if the May Govt. will be in power for much longer.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1311 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined:
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Is that a realistic position remembering The Troubles and what would the legality be of such a situation Absolutely no chance whatsoever, the unionists/loyalists in NI would go completely ballistic if this were to happen. the "troubles" would seem like a kid's birthday party compared to the hell that would break loose
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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If the May government goes, and if the new government are prepared to upset the Unionists and if the new government wants a hard Brexit it would still be easier to make special customs arrangements for Northen Ireland.
So, no. I still don’t see any real chance of it happening.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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I honestly don't see the May government going just yet. Brexit negotiations would be thrown for a loop if there was a sudden changing of the guard. It's less than a year to the deadline of the Article 50 announcement. Unless the conservatives have ultimately decided to just throw the proverbial 'F U' to Europe and aim for a hard Brexit. But I can't fathom that the entire conservative party wanting that outcome.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Unlike Pressie I don’t expect it, even with the wave of rsignations. That said, the hard line Brexiteers will be making trouble and it isn’t impossible that May might give up.
(But if they really after a hard Brexit going for no deal seems easiest to me. Things are in enough of a mess as it is).
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Pressie writes: Is that a realistic position remembering The Troubles and what would the legality be of such a situation? It's a political impossibility. We went to war with Argentina because an island everone here thought was off Scotland with a couple of hundred Brits on it was invaded and they wanted to reamian British. It would only be possible if the majority in NI voted for it. Even then it would be bloody.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Was watching Dateline London recently and I see that the Irish border quagmire is still throwing a monkey wrench into Brexit negotiations:
Brexit: Theresa May tells EU leaders their plans must 'evolve' - BBC News
quote: She appears to still be pushing the Chequers deal, even though she has gotten massive push back from members of the conservative party. The most vocal being, of course, Boris Johnson. The clock is ticking here and I am surprised more progress hasn't been made. The Article 50 deadline is only six months away.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Hasn't Ireland and the Irish Border always been a problem for England?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Yeh, Ireland has been a tad troublesome. Unfinished business.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Now it looks like the EU flat out stated that the Chequers plan won't work:
Donald Tusk: Theresa May's Brexit trade plan won't work - BBC News
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
People always underestimate May; but she's stubborn and persistent.
The EU needs to be careful; one way of ensuring that the UK won't vote to remain (if they get the second chance) is to be the arrogant bullies that most here think they are. We'd rather stick two fingers at them and declare splendid isolation again. Create an offshore finacial state with low taxation and suck cash out of Europe.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Britain's "plan' to exit from the EU seems to be something like Quebec's plan to exit from Canada: keep all of the benefits and ditch all of the responsibilities. Hard to get agreement on a plan like that.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
People always underestimate May; but she's stubborn and persistent. She definitely seems to be. I would have already caved under the pressure she is under.
The EU needs to be careful; one way of ensuring that the UK won't vote to remain (if they get the second chance) is to be the arrogant bullies that most here think they are. In all honesty, I haven't been overly impressed with EU bureaucracy on Brexit or many other matters. Brussels comes across as a bunch of aristocrats who seem to be more concerned about their status than formulating good policies. Jean-Claude Juncker honestly sounds like a Bond villain every time he speaks. Mind you, Boris Johnson and Nigel Farange are not exactly helping matters either.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
They don't understand that the E.U. member state's free-migration requirement was the ONLY thing allowing free travel between Ireland and North Ireland.
I had to keep repeating it over and over to one guy.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Scotland was talking about splitting from the U.K. to stay in the E.U., but it was noticed that a good chunk (like 1/3) in Scotland support BOTH Brexit and the Scottish Nationalist Party, so that made the Pro-E.U. SNP much weaker (too weak) when it came to playing an anti-Brexit hand.
(Like 1/3 of SNP voters also supported Brexit) It is a contradiction if one understands that the Scottish Nationalist Party is actually anti-nationalist, but not a contradiction to many SNP supporters. (The SNP confusion is kind of like Gandhi being described as a nationalist even though he was for world government, and kind of like the confusing situation of World War 1 "Arab nationalists" foolishly supporting independence from Turkey ONLY LATER to find out that they weren't for nationalism & crushing anti-immigration borders BUT were simply for independence from single-entity domination) The British always have had a way of creating lots of confusion due to the resulting endless "nationalism" movements to escape domination (they even "helped" Arabs escape domination from Turkey only to destroy the Middle East with never-ending borders WHICH TURKEY NEVER IMPOSED). To the U.K., India was allowed to be its full size, when free travel was a one-way street (white British seemingly can go anywhere, but Indians could not), during the Empire. Borders went up as independence was being successfully fought for. (Not just an "Indian" border to separate from Britain, but India was chopped up ruthlessly by the British) Only when the U.K. gets economic benefits will there be fewer borders and free travel. Otherwise, never-ending borders will be imposed ruthlessly. This whole Brexit thing was over stopping immigration. The British have always had an anti-immigration mindset, and the E.U. is seen, by many Brits, as a pro-immigration Trojan Horse. Viktor Orban (leader of Hungary) shut down a university (tied to George Soros) in his country, because Soros has been a promoter of the European Union, which Orban says has been used to "increase immigration". A scheme to Orban. And, yes, his supporters are often open anti-semites who call immigration a Jewish plot. Brexit is anti-immigration, and it was over immigration. And many Labor supporters were pro Brexit (I read a New York Times article detailing how solidly Labor districts have 1/3 of the Labor supporters also supporting Brexit). And they will tell you it is about immigration. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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