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Tangle
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Message 301 of 343 (836197)
07-12-2018 2:58 AM
Reply to: Message 300 by Faith
07-12-2018 12:43 AM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
Faith writes:

Of course you can rewrite my autobiography to suit yourself,

Which part of my statement that you were born to Christian parents and brought up a Christian is wrong?

and your idea of "commonalities" between the religions is groundless.

Right. There is no commonality between Judeism and Christianity except that they share the same god and the same book (the OT). No commonality between Islam and Christianity except that they share the same god and both honour Jesus.

Christianity is unique in the ways I said it is.

Christianity has points of difference from other religions and what Christians believe about what Chritianity is has just a many points of difference. There's light years between what you think Christianity is and what GDR thinks it is.

Christianity is unique in the ways I said it is.

Even if it was unique, it would tell us nothing about whether it's true or otherwise. In your terms Buddism is unique. Shintu is unique. Etc.


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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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foreveryoung
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Message 302 of 343 (836202)
07-12-2018 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 299 by Tangle
07-11-2018 5:09 PM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
All kinds of people send their kids to church. That doesnt mean they believe Christianity. It means they want their children around people who they believe provide a good influence. They want the mores of the church people to rub off on their kids.
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Tangle
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Message 303 of 343 (836203)
07-12-2018 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 302 by foreveryoung
07-12-2018 9:14 AM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
foreveryoung writes:

All kinds of people send their kids to church.

Sure, but I've never heard of Christians sending their kids to synagogs or Jews to Muslim churches.

That doesnt mean they believe Christianity.

No, but it means that their child was born of Christian parents and that's why the child will become a Christian not a Muslim.

It means they want their children around people who they believe provide a good influence. They want the mores of the church people to rub off on their kids.

Yeh, but you're not following the argument are you? The point is that people believe in their god because they are born into families or societies that believe the same. They never ever believe in a god they have never heard of.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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jar
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Message 304 of 343 (836204)
07-12-2018 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 303 by Tangle
07-12-2018 9:42 AM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
Tangle writes:

Sure, but I've never heard of Christians sending their kids to synagogs or Jews to Muslim churches.

Well, now you have. In addition many chapters of club Christian actually encourage members to explore other faiths and in the US National Cathedral both Jewish and Islamic as well as other faiths have performed services and present their religious perspectives.

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Tangle
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Message 305 of 343 (836205)
07-12-2018 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 304 by jar
07-12-2018 10:02 AM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
Jar writes:

Well, now you have. In addition many chapters of club Christian actually encourage members to explore other faiths and in the US National Cathedral both Jewish and Islamic as well as other faiths have performed services and present their religious perspectives.

Sure, many people attend many different churches occasionally, but I'll guess that you weren't sent exclusively to one and it was not the belief of your parents. And your default belief system remained Christianity I assume?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Faith
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Message 306 of 343 (836208)
07-12-2018 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 301 by Tangle
07-12-2018 2:58 AM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
I made a point of showing that my parents were not Christians, because they did not believe anything Christians are supposed to believe. They were raised more or less in a Christian society but if you judge by their beliefs they were simply heathens. THAT's the part of my autobiography you rewrote. Or A part.

GDR's beliefs go back no more than maybe 150 years to the "liberal" theologians. True Christianity goes back two millennia and though it was lost through the period when the Roman church dominated there were still always true believers and the Reformation recovered the truth that had been buried.

You said your experience of being raised Christian included the idea that all you have to do to be saved is just sort of "do your best" or something like that? That's at least a "liberal" point of view, an apostate church point of view. Anglicanism is well known for its deviation from the truth, so perhaps that was your church experience?

And Islam doesn't honor Jesus. Reducing God to a mere prophet is certainly not honoring Him.

As I spellect it out Christianity is fundame4ntally essentially different from all other religions, not just different gby a few "points

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jar
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Message 307 of 343 (836209)
07-12-2018 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 305 by Tangle
07-12-2018 10:34 AM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
You are free to assume most anything you want. But you are not free to pull the same carny con tricks as the Christian Cult of Ignorance or to misrepresent what I post.

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ringo
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Message 308 of 343 (836210)
07-12-2018 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 306 by Faith
07-12-2018 12:22 PM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
Faith writes:

I made a point of showing that my parents were not Christians, because they did not believe anything Christians are supposed to believe.


Your idea of "anything Christians are supposed to believe" doesn't mean much. In the context of this discussion, the main thing that Christians are "supposed to believe" is that Christianity is The Right Religion. Whether most Americans are "practising Christians" or not, that is what they believe.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Tangle
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Message 309 of 343 (836211)
07-12-2018 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 306 by Faith
07-12-2018 12:22 PM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
Faith writes:

I made a point of showing that my parents were not Christians, because they did not believe anything Christians are supposed to believe. They were raised more or less in a Christian society but if you judge by their beliefs they were simply heathens.

So your parents were Christians in a Christian society and brought you up a Christian. As I said.

THAT's the part of my autobiography you rewrote.

I not rewritten it, I've simply repeated what you told us. I also expect that your parents were baptised as Christians and thought of themselves as Christians, you regard virtually nobody as a Christian so that part of your assessment is moot.

GDR's beliefs go back no more than maybe 150 years to the "liberal" theologians. True Christianity goes back two millennia and though it was lost through the period when the Roman church dominated there were still always true believers and the Reformation recovered the truth that had been buried.

In your fundamentalist opinion. Billions of other Christians disagree with you.

But none of this is relevant to the point we're discussing. You and almost all other Christians are only Christian because you were born to Christian parents in a Christian society and brought up as a Christian. The same is true of all other regions. Belief is an accident of birth.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Faith
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Message 310 of 343 (836212)
07-12-2018 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 308 by ringo
07-12-2018 12:31 PM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
Sorry, Christianity is not just what people who know zip about it think it is.
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Faith
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Message 311 of 343 (836213)
07-12-2018 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 309 by Tangle
07-12-2018 12:32 PM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
Sorry, you have no idea what is involved in becoming a Christian and that's what I'm trying to talk about. Being born in a Christian culture dores not make anyone a Christian. Sorry. Learn something. Thre is reason to believe that perhaps the majority of people in "Christian" churches are not Christians. I know you are talking about Christian as opposed to other religions, but that misses the essential point involved in being a Christian so I'm not letting you get away with it. Converts to Chrsitanity in other cultures are very likely to be truer Christians than anyone born in a "Christian" culture who even goes to church. And anyway the idea that there is much of anything left of Christianity in the cultures of the west is false anyway.

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ringo
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Message 312 of 343 (836215)
07-12-2018 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 310 by Faith
07-12-2018 12:32 PM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
Faith writes:

Sorry, Christianity is not just what people who know zip about it think it is.


Yeah, that's what I'm telling you. You know zip about Christianity, as evidenced by your inability to discuss it. You can parrot what the commentators say but we have no reason to believe you've ever actually thought about it.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith
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Message 313 of 343 (836216)
07-12-2018 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 312 by ringo
07-12-2018 12:44 PM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
What you think doesn't matter to me but it does bother me that your nonsense could mislead others.
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Tangle
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Message 314 of 343 (836218)
07-12-2018 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 311 by Faith
07-12-2018 12:36 PM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
Faith writes:

Sorry, you have no idea what is involved in becoming a Christian

I was born to Christian parents, in a Christian society, baptised in a Christian church and sent to a religious school. I know exactly what is involved.

Being born in a Christian culture dores not make anyone a Christian.

Did anyone say it did? It must be possible to be born into an exclusively Christian society with Christian parents and not be baptised and brought up a Christian, but it's unlikely isn't it?

Thre is reason to believe that perhaps the majority of people in "Christian" churches are not Christians.

That's simply your perverted belief.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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ringo
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Message 315 of 343 (836223)
07-12-2018 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 313 by Faith
07-12-2018 12:45 PM


Re: Why Is The Real One The Christian One?
Faith writes:

What you think doesn't matter to me but it does bother me that your nonsense could mislead others.


I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I only respond to you because your nonsense could mislead others.

And you usually prove my point (that you don't have a point) by running away.


And our geese will blot out the sun.

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