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ringo
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Message 563 of 1748 (836987)
07-25-2018 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 554 by Phat
07-25-2018 8:28 AM


Re: Some sources
Phat writes:
But the reality is that only by our thinking/imagining can we even be able to approach the GOD Who is.
Do you realize what you're saying? God is a product of our imaginations.
Phat writes:
Do you have any better suggestions for believers...apart from your rant against superstition and appeal to logic?
That's like asking if we have an alternative to food. No. There is none.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 567 of 1748 (836992)
07-25-2018 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 565 by Phat
07-25-2018 12:21 PM


Re: Some sources
Phat writes:
If we limit our understanding of God to what others have said or written, we are not being entirely honest with ourselves regarding our belief.
On the contray, if we trust our own imaginations, we're not being honest. We humans are social for a reason - our individual capabilities are limited and our individual minds are notoriously unreliable. The only thing worse than trusting your own imagination is trusting some nut like Jim Jones or Oral Roberts. You're better off trusting the people who disagree with you.
Phat writes:
What I would say is that our understanding of God is a synthesis of our conscience and our imagination.
That might explain why you have no understanding of God.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 574 of 1748 (837010)
07-25-2018 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 572 by Phat
07-25-2018 3:59 PM


Re: Presenting God as found in the Bible
Phat writes:
Hmmmm.don't pay jar any mind, Faith. he uses "pieces parts" out of context to make his lesson focus on the god he chooses to present to his students.
Phat writes:
Have you ever read the Bible, jar?
This sort of thing is beneath you. Please don't do it again.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 578 of 1748 (837014)
07-25-2018 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 575 by Phat
07-25-2018 4:24 PM


Re: Presenting God as found in the Bible
Phat writes:
And yet jar does it all the time. Is it beneath him?
Mocking somebody's posting style is in the backyard of ad hominem.
Phat writes:
I'm just defending Faith....
If Faith's position was defensible, you'd be defending it instead of lashing out at people who point out where she's wrong.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 591 of 1748 (837076)
07-26-2018 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 589 by Phat
07-26-2018 12:29 PM


Re: Open Theism Allows For A Better Communion
Phat writes:
... when times get extremely tough and the solutions get scarce people will always turn to belief.
Policeman: We're here to evacuate you because of the flood.
Lady: God will protect me.
Man in a boat: We're here to evacuate you.
Lady: God will protect me.
Man in a helicopter: We're here to evacuate you.
Lady: God will protect me.
...
Dead lady (to God): But... but... but... I thought you were going to protect me.
God: I sent you a policeman, I sent you a boat, I sent you a helicopter....
Except that it was us who sent the policeman and the boat and the helicopter.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 594 of 1748 (837080)
07-26-2018 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 592 by Phat
07-26-2018 1:03 PM


Re: Open Theism Allows For A Better Communion
Phat writes:
God uses humans to help each other.
Humans help each other. Ants help each other. The equation works out the same without God in it.
Phat writes:
But surely God does not use you simply to give a man change for an afternoon drink. God would more likely give the man the ability to fish rather than simply handing over the spare change to keep him in bondage.
Why didn't your God teach that man to fish yesterday? Why do I still have to help him today? Again, the term "God" doesn't seem to be in the equation at all.
Phat writes:
But in an end times scenario, nobody in the Western world is going to share their own diminishing resources simply so that others can come up to the diminished level the West is adjusting to.
Yes we are. I can see that you will oppose it but we will still do it.
Phat writes:
My observation is that in an end times scenario, the middle is already being crushed, the bottom sees an opportunity to move up, and the rich still hold all the guns and gold (and military and legal) at their disposal.
Maybe you should throw that "end times" scenario away and give reality a chance.
Phat writes:
Try preaching to a newly homeless guy that he still has it better than 1/2 the world!
I don't preach to the homeless at all. If he asks me for a sermon, I can direct him to one. So far, I've never met a homeless person who wanted one.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 691 of 1748 (838293)
08-18-2018 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 683 by Faith
08-17-2018 7:50 PM


Re: Jonathan Cahn, the Ghost Kingdom which is the Roman Empire
Faith writes:
He refers to the emperors of the Holy Roman Empire, to the titles based on the word "Caesar" as in "Kaiser" as I mentioned in Message 88 and even to the Roman Catholic Church as continuing it which I've also mentioned. He talks about the European nations that sent out explorers and established colonies all over the world.
That's old news. I've been hearing it regurgitated since the 1970s.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 693 of 1748 (838295)
08-18-2018 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 692 by Faith
08-18-2018 12:31 PM


Re: Jonathan Cahn, the Ghost Kingdom which is the Roman Empire
Faith writes:
I find it quite compelling no matter how old it is.
I found it straw-grasping then and now.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 697 of 1748 (838303)
08-18-2018 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 695 by Faith
08-18-2018 1:40 PM


Re: Jonathan Cahn, the Ghost Kingdom which is the Roman Empire
Faith writes:
For me this answered the question people often ask these days: where is America in the scripture?
I've only ever heard that question asked as a joke - i.e. who would be silly enough to think America was mentioned in the Bible? In the history of the world, America is barely a footnote.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 708 of 1748 (838328)
08-19-2018 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 699 by Phat
08-18-2018 9:12 PM


Re: America in Biblical Apologetic Prophecy
Hubris.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 710 of 1748 (838332)
08-19-2018 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 709 by Phat
08-19-2018 3:49 PM


Re: America in Biblical Apologetic Prophecy
Phat writes:
I would argue that hubris is the primary reason that America will be judged.
And it's hubris to think that any prophecy in the Bible is directed at us today.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 712 of 1748 (838337)
08-19-2018 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 711 by Phat
08-19-2018 4:08 PM


Re: America in Biblical Apologetic Prophecy
Phat writes:
Why is it hubris to imagine/believe in a God who is concerned about today's people?
If He has a message for us, why would He give it to somebody 2000 years ago? If the end is tomorrow, wouldn't it make more sense to send out a Testament 3.0 today?
Phat writes:
I think it is hubris to believe that humanity must succeed.
Nobody thinks that. I've told you so a dozen times.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 714 of 1748 (838342)
08-19-2018 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 713 by jar
08-19-2018 4:51 PM


Re: America in Biblical Apologetic Prophecy
jar writes:
But if we can ignore the religious nutjobs and discount the idiots who support faith based and fantasy over reality thinking we sure would have a better chance.
Yes, we should have a better chance of success if we hope for success than if we look forward to destruction.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 716 of 1748 (838351)
08-19-2018 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 715 by Phat
08-19-2018 5:03 PM


Re: America in Biblical Apologetic Prophecy
Phat writes:
If we find ourselves threatened to be relegated to economic poverty, we may well pull a trigger or two.
You've never stopped pulling the trigger - but it seldom has anything to do with saving yourselves from poverty.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 758 of 1748 (838415)
08-21-2018 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 751 by Faith
08-21-2018 3:54 AM


Faith writes:
Of course what I find is that nobody wants to listen, just as "in the days of Noah."
It isn't about "not wanting to listen". When Matthew and Luke compare the end times to the days of Noah, they're talking about eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, buying, selling, planting, building - business as usual. In Genesis, the other people didn't get any warning so not wanting to listen doesn't enter into it.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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