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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
No, nothing ever occurs to you. It's your most noticable characteristic. Oh gosh, did it every occur to me?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
Then what will she do with the brick that she normally stores on top of her caps-lock key? Wouldn't you be happier exchanging words with like-minded people who already believe exactly as you do?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Why does there have to be an "opposing" point of view at all? Why can't you grasp the idea of looking at the news objectively, without a lot of preconceived ideological baggage? No, it's those who disagree with me who need to hear the opposing point of view.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
I've told you before, I only go by Trump's own words. I don't pay any attention to commentators. I could certainly ask my opponents the same question. Very few of the "facts" that are reported in the news stand as simple facts. Out of his own mouth and tweety-fingers, he's an idiot, a racist, a misogynist, a liar, an ignoramus, etc. If news sources, fake or otherwise have noticed the same thing, that might be because it's true. And by the way, I actually agree with Trump on a couple of things, so don't accuse me of being an ideologue.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
How can I misinterpret what I actually see him say on video? What did I misinterpret when he said he had the largest crowd ever on inauguration day? What has that got to do with my worldview? It is Trump's own words that get misinterpreted, taken out of context and so on.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
You don't know that. You're the one who is misinterpreting and distorting. He believed what he said. What he said could mean he can't count. It could be a bold-faced lie. It could be narcissistic wishful thinking. It could be just a childish blurt. There could be some overlap. There's almost no possible interpretation that makes him look like somebody you'd want in charge of the noodles.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
You don't know that.
He believed what he said. Faith writes:
So, incompetent but honest. I suppose you wouldn't object to an incompetent heart surgeon, as long as he was honest.
Trump makes mistakes, he misstates things, he's not careful about his words as he should be, he's not cautious enough in the face of what he should know by now about his opposition, but most of us who voted for him think he's basically honest... Faith writes:
Frankly, I couldn't care less if he's a racist. As I've said before, I'm a racist. I'm not proud of it but I'm honest about it and I'm trying to get better. ... we know he is not a racist... I'd have more respect for Trump if he was honestly racist.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
That's the problem. They have no interest in the truth. You can argue all you like, that isn't going to change how supporters of Trump see him.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
You've already shown us what causes the political chasm. It's people who will not be moved no matter what. The rest of the world can not move forward without moving away from them. Keep up the politically correct character assassination and you just keep widening the political chasm.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
That assumes perfection. There's room for improvement in everybody, Trump, the Ku Trump Klan and even you. One shouldn't move from the right position.... Again. the chasm is caused by those of you who think you're already perfect refusing to change in any way.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
That's just a variation on Trump's own statement. But saying that Trump could come shoot their children is just off the wall; no discussion is possible after that kind of comment.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
You said yourself that Trump's supporters will never budge. Of course the chasm will never be closed as long as you insist on all of the movement coming from one side. You're obviously not interested in closing any chasm. You just want to be right. ... you are only alienating honest people and there is no closing of the political chasm possible.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
As I keep telling you, there's no twisting. I'm talking about Trump's own words, as recorded on video. We can see what he said. Stop the nonsense about twisting. Of course we aren't going to budge on the twisting of his words and the fake news reports. For example, he did say that he had the biggest inaugural crowd in history. You can not deny that. There is no twisting. Is he numerically challenged? Do we want a President who can't count? Did he misspeak and doesn't have the courage to admit he was wrong? Do we want a coward for a President? Is he a bold-faced liar? If there is any good spin that you can put on that one claim, please tell us what it is instead of accusing us of using spin. And when you're finished dealing with that one example, there are plenty more.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
We can't assassinate what isn't alive. You'd need to show examples of good character first. This is character assassination....And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Yes indeed, I am. If you can show how a statement that 2 + 2 = 5 can be taken out of context, fire away.
You are denying that even a direct quote can be distorted by being taken out of context... Faith writes:
I told you what the implications are: he's incompetent with numbers, he's afraid to admit that he made a mistake, he's a liar, or maybe something else. None of those are "out of proportion". It's important to have a President with none of those faults. Would you hire an accountant who couldn't count?
... even a comment like his claim of having the biggest inaugural audience if only a misimpression is being blown out of proportion... Faith writes:
Other Presidents are irrelevant. You don't hire a pilot who can't see even if the previous pilot couldn't see. You don't hire an accountant who steals even though the previous accountant also stole. ... the exact same things said and done by other Presidents.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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