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Message 2205 of 4573 (836607)
07-20-2018 11:11 AM


Trump and Putin
I've been planning on making this point for a while, but it seems that Katrina vanden Heuvel has already written what I planned to do in the latest issue of The Nation.
A stopped clock being right twice a day, Trump did have a point. Russia's current aggressive policies are partly the result of the failure of past US administrations' dealing with the former Soviet Union.
The column mentions the mistake of expanding NATO right up to Russia's borders, which most people understood would be a provocation. I would also add the expansion of the US wars in the Middle East, especially into Syria, without taking into consideration that other countries, like Russia, also have interests in the region. And I've felt that the current Russia taking advantage of our dimwitted president isn't too different than the way the US took advantage of the dimwitted Yeltsin.
Putin and his regime is partly a creation of the short sighted US policies.
Nonetheless, it is also true that Putin is in power and he is a threat and that needs to be dealt with. But I hope that when we finally get a sensible President, that administration's response isn't to restart a Cold War, but more of a detente: an acknowledgment that, threat or no, our two nations (and the world) does have an interest in reducing tensions and some common areas of concern we could be working together on.


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Message 2217 of 4573 (836749)
07-21-2018 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 2216 by Percy
07-21-2018 12:26 PM


Re: Why The Right Thinks As They Do
This isn't a position the Democratic party supports. Why is he lying about this?
Without reading the book, I'm going to guess that it's part of the conspiracy theory that the Democrats encourage lots of illegal immigrants to illegally vote because that's the only way they'd ever be able to win any election.


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Message 2223 of 4573 (836758)
07-21-2018 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 2219 by NoNukes
07-21-2018 8:34 PM


Re: Why The Right Thinks As They Do
...but the idea that Democrats are looking for votes from illegals or from former illegals is a part of conspiracy theory pushed frequently by Republicans....
I sure wish that Republicans would spend as much effort to protect our elections from foreign interference as they have looking for nonexistent voting fraud.


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Message 2236 of 4573 (836873)
07-23-2018 4:43 PM


House Republicans caught out in another lie
Earlier this year, the Trump administration declassified a memo written by the Republican majority of the House Intelligence Committee claiming that the FBI's investigation of people associated with Trump's presidential campaign was an abuse of its authority and attempting to bolster Trump's claims that the FBI was "spying" on his campaign out of political bias.
However, according to an article in The New York Times this morning,
the government released the court documents in which the F.B.I. made its case for conducting the surveillance records that plainly demonstrated that key elements of Republicans’ claims about the bureau’s actions were misleading or false....
But in respect after respect, the newly disclosed documents instead corroborated rebuttals by Democrats on the panel who had seen the top-secret materials and accused Republicans of mischaracterizing them to protect the president.
The Republicans' memo claims that the FBI's application for a warrant for their surveillance relied heavily on information from a former British intelligence officer, Christopher Steele, without telling the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that Steele was being paid by the Democratic Party for his research and therefore was unreliable; this is also supposed to imply that the FBI itself is motivated by political bias.
As it turns out, the FBI did point out to the Court about Steele's possible bias.
Now we can see that the footnote disclosing Steele’s possible bias takes up more than a full page in the applications, so there is literally no way the FISA Court could have missed it, he wrote on the blog Lawfare. The F.B.I. gave the court enough information to evaluate Steele’s credibility.
Furthermore, the applications for surveillance included more information than Steele's dossier:
The application materials also identify the four judges who approved the wiretap and its extensions; all are appointees of Republican presidents. And while much of the material is redacted, it shows that the number of pages included in each application grew significantly, suggesting that the government was likely adding new information, such as discussing the information it obtained from the wiretap, to justify its request to prolong the surveillance.
Added by edit:
I should point out that the surveillance was on someone involved with Trump's campaign after he had left it. But it's being portrayed as part of a "witch hunt" against Trump and those associated with him.
Edited by Chiroptera, : No reason given.


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Chiroptera
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Message 2244 of 4573 (836950)
07-24-2018 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 2243 by NoNukes
07-24-2018 12:29 PM


"Conspiracy? No, they just all think alike."
Are the Trumpesheviks misusing the word "conspiracy"? Or do the really believe that the editors of the major newspapers and networks get together in secret meetings with leaders of factions in the Justice Dept and intelligence agencies and the leaders of the ACLU, NAACP, Al Qaeda, and so forth to discuss how they're going to get Trump?


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Message 2246 of 4573 (836956)
07-24-2018 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 2245 by jar
07-24-2018 7:25 PM


Re: A GOP carbon tax bill?
Rep. Carlos Curbelo (R-FL)
In the environmentalist news, it's been a pretty good bet that the first cracks in the Republicans anti-climate change wall would be in Florida, the state that has the most to lose from climate change. (What does Florida have to lose? Florida!)


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Chiroptera
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Message 2254 of 4573 (837017)
07-25-2018 4:42 PM


Campaign promise: not fullfilled
Trump Administration, in Reversal, Will Resume Risk Payments to Health Insurers
Remember how Trump promised to kill "Obamacare"? Well, it turns out that it's a lot harder than it seemed.
In response to a lawsuit a few weeks ago, the Trump administration suspended "risk adjustment payments", payments that are given to plans that enroll high risk people and funded from plans that mainly enroll healthier people. The purpose of these payments is to encourage health insurers to include higher risk people onto their plans.
As it turns out, Obamacare, like Social Security and Medicare, is wildly popular -- it seems that people actually like to not die from treatable illnesses. So popular, that Republicans in Congress are worried about repercussion in the upcoming elections if they allow too many people to become uninsured.
Republicans in Congress, afraid of being blamed in the midterm elections this year for even higher premiums, had urged the Trump administration to resume the payments to insurers.
And so yesterday the Trump administration announced that they will resume the risk adjustment payments.


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Chiroptera
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Message 2256 of 4573 (837031)
07-25-2018 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 2255 by NoNukes
07-25-2018 5:15 PM


Re: Campaign promise: not fullfilled
Translation. If Democrats don't show up and show out at the polls this November, those payments are history.
Oh, I'm under no illusions that they have come to their senses. If the Republicans retain control of the House after the next elections, then they'll see this as their mandate to complete their destruction of the Republic.
But I find it interesting seeing the individual representatives continue to make their electoral calculations: "Do I still have a chance of winning the election? Then maybe I shouldn't piss off the voters too much. But maybe I'm going to lose anyway; this may be our last chance to break things."


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Chiroptera
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Message 2264 of 4573 (837066)
07-26-2018 11:14 AM


Republican irresponsibility: Tax cut edition
From this morning's New York Times;
To the surprise of absolutely no one, the Republicans' tax cut is leading to greater budget deficits.
The Trump administration had said that the tax cuts would pay for themselves by generating increased revenue from faster economic growth, but the White House has acknowledged in recent weeks that the deficit is growing faster than it had expected.
If we hadn’t changed our tax system, said Kimberly A. Clausing, an economics professor at Reed College in Portland, Ore., who studies business taxation, you would be expecting rising revenues.
This caught my eye:
This tax law is working, in the sense that now shareholders have access to their cash, Ms. Clausing said, but whether that translates to investment is a much different question.
Yeah, the tax cuts are working: the intent, as was obvious to absolutely everyone, is to make sure that rich people get richer.
'Course that wasn't how the Republicans tried to sell it to the American people.


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Message 2279 of 4573 (837395)
07-31-2018 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 2278 by Percy
07-31-2018 7:57 AM


Re: What has Trump done lately?
Trump is considering cutting taxes on the rich again (Trump administration considers tax cut for the wealthy).
Lol. Yeah, I saw this in the NYT this morning.
Good news, indeed, for the working class! They won't have to pay as much taxes on their capital gains!
Edited by Chiroptera, : Fixed tags.


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Chiroptera
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Message 2284 of 4573 (837429)
08-01-2018 11:00 AM


Rich People Shocked as Their Killer Robots Turn on their Creators
It appears that Charles Koch and Donald Trump don't like each other.
I'm reminded of the tag line from the movie Aliens vs Predator: No matter who wins, we all lose.


Oh, God! Pride of Man, broken in the dust again! -- Quicksilver Messenger Service

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Chiroptera
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Message 2289 of 4573 (837456)
08-01-2018 8:46 PM
Reply to: Message 2288 by Percy
08-01-2018 7:55 PM


Does the Emoluments Clause Have a Poverty Exception?
Another case that is proceeding against the President is the one alleging that he's in violation of the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution.
This and any trial involving Cohen will directly involve Trump's finances, which means that his records may be subpoenaed. And although Manafort's trial doesn't bear directly on Trump, it will expose the seedy underbelly of the types of financial shenanigans that Trump's circle engages in.
Time Magazine suggests that it's the potential exposure of his finances that has Trump all worked up over this "witch hunt".


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Chiroptera
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Message 2296 of 4573 (837463)
08-02-2018 9:09 AM


Non-citizen voting
Just to make sure that it's clear, as everyone has pointed out, federal law prohibits non-citizens from voting in federal elections; it does not forbid non-citizens from voting in local or state elections. I suspect an attempt to do so would raise Constitutional issues.
Through the history of the Republic, many localities have allowed non-citizens to vote off and on in local elections. What's happening in San Francisco is nothing new in the US - although not common, either. It's mostly the current political climate that makes it note worthy.
Edited by Chiroptera, : Hit submit before I was done.


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Chiroptera
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Message 2298 of 4573 (837466)
08-02-2018 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 2295 by Percy
08-02-2018 8:51 AM


A feature, not a bug
...but on the other hand requiring documentary evidence will self-evidently reduce the voter rolls of the poor the most.
Which is really the point of the documentation requirements. Whatever the paranoid fears they're stoking in the base, Republican bigwigs don't actually care that much about illegal Mexicans voting; the purpose is to put obstacles in the way of black people voting.


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Chiroptera
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Message 2300 of 4573 (837469)
08-02-2018 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 2295 by Percy
08-02-2018 8:51 AM


The consent of the governed
I wanted to respond to this part in a separate comment since it may be off topic. Also, I don't intend to debate it: I just want to point out that there are differences of opinion.
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On the one hand it seems only right that we insure that only citizens vote....
Me, I feel that all legal residents should be allowed to vote. You have to obey the laws where you live, so you should have a say on what those laws are.


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