Evangelical Switch from Pro-choice to Anti-abortion

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I would argue against abortion myself except where the mother's life is threatened, and as Tangle pointed out, it would still be a "harm" even for that reason.

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In Texas, there are 36 maternal deaths for every 100,000 pregnancies (when there is no abortion) and it is cut down to 0.2 per 100,000 when there is an abortion (the earlier the abortion, the safer).1 death for every 2,800 pregnancies.A female that has 10 pregnancies (and with no abortions) has a 1 in 280 chance of loosing her life.(ironically I just got punched in the back - 13 times AS I FINISHED THE ABOVE SENTENCE - by a playful 10 year old girl (SHE LIKES BEATING ME UP!) who just walked in, and I just asked her dad how many children he has. He said 13.)Poor females tend to get pregnant in relatively high numbers and (as legendarily uninsured Texas shows us) can get some crappy health care.I think you might want to consider that the Surgeon General under Ronald Reagan (C Everett something was his name) said that all pregnancies are a risk to a mother's life.He was Pro Life but the dangerousness of pregnancy to all pregnant females cause most people personally opposed to abortion to support legalization (and access).I don't like abortion myself, but feel it should be legal till the first 12 weeks (and frankly, though I find it gruesome , I currently support abortion up to 22 weeks - like the Supreme Court has decided it should be in ANY case - if access is so limited that it is difficult for a female to get the procedure in 12 weeks) in ideal circumstances, though the terrible (and very dangerous) problem of access in the United States is so bad that it needs to be legal far beyond 12 weeks.Keep in mind that any limitations on abortion WILL HAVE the potential to cause females to be forced to carry a child that they don't want, and will lead to dreadful health consequences both for her and the developing child. (smoking is common for poor females that are seeking to terminate a pregnancy, even when it looks like a doctor can't be found and even in late term pregnancies)

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If your own opinion mirrored societies we would allow abortion at term and that would be murder.

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Here is the best visual device ever to see what percentage of people in EACH state say that abortion should be illegal in all or most circumstances (has a big bright blue horizontal line graph for each state (and the number percentage is labeled too) which allows for an easy comparison.EXAMPLEOhio has 48% support for the illegal position as represented by the left side of the graph and it is in dark blue. (47% legal is in a light blue graph to the right)Above Ohio is North Dakota which has 47% illegal views, and the graph makes it very easy to see Ohio is more Pro Life than North Dakota.Below is Oklahoma which is 51% supportive of illegality is all or most cases,Views about abortion by state - Religion in America: U.S. Religious Data, Demographics and Statistics | Pew Research CenterThis Gallop poll history has all sorts of questions and all sorts of historical poll results.It has results for May 10 201860% say abortion should be legal in the first 3 months. (34% say illegal)28% say it should be legal in the second 3 months (65% say illegal)81% say it should be illegal in the last 3 months. Abortion | Gallup Historical Trends

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A hefty majority of Americans - including a majority of those who consider themselves pro-choice - support substantial abortion restrictions, says a new Marist Poll commissioned by the Knights of Columbus and released Tuesday.

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The survey found that 81 percent of Americans and 66 percent of those who identify as pro-choice would restrict abortion to - at most - the first three months of pregnancy. Eighty two percent of women agree with that. The pollster says these findings have been consistent for the last eight years.

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In addition, 55 percent of American overall agree that abortion ultimately does a woman more harm than good; 56 percent of women and 27 percent of pro-choice advocates agree. Six in 10 Americans - including 61 percent of women - say abortion is morally wrong. One-third of pro-choice Americans agree.

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Another 77 percent overall - including 79 percent of women and 71 percent of pro-choice supporters - say that laws can protect both a mother and her unborn child. Seventeen percent of Americans overall, 15 percent of women, 23 percent of pro-choice identifiers disagree.

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Abortion poll finds 81% Americans, 66% pro-choice advocates support restrictions on procedure - Washington Times

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Polls seem to suggest a ban after 12 weeks.Almost every state poll I have seen is consistent with such.The voters often reject bans (of 12 or 20 weeks) in referendums sue to a Pro Choice campaign that sounds that alarm on access and women's health (and life).The ironic thing is that presently, looking at Supreme Court precedents, Anthony Kennedy (and the majority) only seemed to allow ban's of up to around 22 weeks.Thus all the 12 and 20 week abortion bans were very much unconstitutional.That might change.I suspect the Court will move slowly and won't make bans prior to 12 weeks constitutional because the larger public strongly opposed bans much (?) before 12 weeks. It must be admitted than questions are rarely asked centering around a 10 week ban (or even 6 week).

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That's what I'm saying to you: Neither you nor anybody else can just declare that there's no difference. Neither you nor anybody else can claim that there's a particular time when it becomes "wrong".

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Think of a pregnancy where the baby aborts, i.e. a miscarriage.The issue here seems to be having a doctor simply remove the baby prematurely, as opposed to using surgical tools to dismember it.Meaning.Just let the baby be gently pulled out (by the doctor of course) at 30 weeks, then let an incubator be used.(Ron Paul recounted something disturbing he - by chance - saw during medical school, by telling about how he accidently wandered into a room where he encountered a baby that had just been removed in a surgical abortion and it was crying, but he was told to let it alone as it was just aborted and it would die, and he quickly left the room he wandered into to get to his proper destination)Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.