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LamarkNewAge
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Message 31 of 34 (837725)
08-07-2018 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Chiroptera
08-07-2018 5:34 PM


Re: Tolerance and the Hindu-Buddhist foundation of the nation India.
quote:

Christans have also been victims of Hindu extremist violence, as Faith has mentioned


IN the first 300 days of Modi, there were apparently 43 killings (the confirmed deaths always follow that pattern for whatever year since 2014) despite supposedly 600 churches being burnt or something.

Amazing that (ancient Christians) Aramaic speaking Christians always say that they were murdered by the European Protestants and Portugal. (Not the Hindus)

Amazing that Zoroastrians were never killed by Hindus.

Amazing that there is no example of Hindus ever killing Jews in 2000 years.

quote:

Netanyahu trip highlights India’s tiny Jewish community
Shrinking population, dating back some 2,000 years, hopes the Israeli PM's week-long visit will boost its profile
By PETER HUTCHISON
14 January 2018, 7:46 am

These include Bene Israelis, who have the longest history in India, and Baghdadi Jews, who fled persecution in the Middle East in the 18th and 19th centuries.

Although there are no official figures, academics say India’s Jewish population peaked at around 20,000 in the mid 1940s.

Numbers have dwindled rapidly because of emigration since the creation of Israel in 1948.

....

India’s Jewish community hasn’t experienced the discrimination seen in other countries, a fact that Jewish historian Leora Pezarkar partly attributes to its adoption of Indian customs, dress and language.

“The community has mixed really well with the local population while not deviating from who they are as Jews,” she said.

David, whose parents fled persecution in Iraq to come to India 125 years ago, says he has never experienced or heard of anyone being a victim of anti-Semitism in India.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/...ndias-tiny-jewish-community


There are a lot of exaggerations about Hindu killings of Christians.

Jews, like Aramaic Christians, were slaughtered by orders of magnitude higher amounts by Europeans Christians (Protestants, Portugal, etc.).

(the fact that India is 1.4 billion enables enough possibilities for a few actual Hindu aggressor incidents to be played up and then peppered with false stories and propaganda)


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Message 32 of 34 (837726)
08-07-2018 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by LamarkNewAge
08-07-2018 7:44 PM


Re: Tolerance and the Hindu-Buddhist foundation of the nation India.
Amazing that there is no example of Hindus ever killing Jews in 2000 years.

What is the basis of such an assertion? Marc900 told you?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT


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Message 33 of 34 (837728)
08-08-2018 12:22 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by NoNukes
08-07-2018 8:28 PM


2 Quotes from Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu on India and China
quote:

India, Israel will never give in to terror, says Benjamin Netanyahu: Full text of Israeli PM's speech

Jan 15, 2018 20:58:16 IST

In his address at Hyderabad House of Delhi during his six-day visit to India, Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu recalled "the horrific savagery in Mumbai(26/11 attacks)" and said India and Israel "will never give in and will fight back". He noted that India's Jews have never experienced anti-Semitism and mentioned this as an example of tolerance in India. He said that India and Israel are ushering a 'new era' in the bilateral relations between the two countries. Here is the full text of the Israeli prime minister's speech.

"Thank you my friend, Prime Minister Modi, Narendra. Thank you for your exceptional friendship and hospitality that you showed me, my wife, and our delegation. I was deeply moved today in the celebration at the ceremony. It was an expression not only of the honor you showed me but the honor you showed the people of Israel and the State of Israel. You are a revolutionary leader in the best sense of the word 'revolution'. You are revolutionizing India. You are catapulting this magnificent state into the future and you have revolutionized the relationship between Israel and India.

I'm the son of a historian. Our peoples have had thousands of years of history. India and Israel are two of the most ancient civilizations on earth and yet it is an amazing fact that until you visited Israel no leader of India in 3,000 years of our own sovereign existence and our history has visited Israel. You are the first leader of a state, of an Indian state to do this. So it was a groundbreaking visit. It excited the imaginations of all Israelis and of course of the many Israelis of Indian descent, of origin, who came and were…how shall I say this…well I thought I was in a rock concert but it was a historic event as well.

We are ushering today a new era in our relations. We've had diplomatic relations for 25 years but something different is happening now because of your leadership and because of our partnership. There are three things that bind our countries together: The first is that we have an ancient past. The second is that we have a vibrant present. And the third is that we are seizing together a promising future. We are proud of our past, our rich histories, our peoples' contributions to human civilization in language, in literature, in mathematics and medicine, in philosophy and faith. The greatest texts that human beings produced are in Sanskrit and in Hebrew. None greater and none more enduring and we never forget this.

More recently, you mentioned, just a century ago, brave Indian soldiers played a vital role in the liberation of the State of Israel and the land of Israel. This led to our Independence. And yesterday I was again deeply moved as we paid tribute to these brave Indian fighters and commanders who gave their lives in that historic fight. We honor their memory as you mark today Indian Army Day. We are proud of our present, of our resilient democracies. Our people are free to say what they want, do what they want, believe what they want and these values and our diversity are not a source of our weakness but the source of our strength. Evidence of this abounds in India where you hear a symphony of dozens of languages and dialects and where Jews, and you mentioned this yesterday Prime Minister, you mentioned the fact that makes India stand out in the community of nations because over 2,000 years the Jews of India have never experienced anti-Semitism as our people experienced in so many other lands. This is a tribute to your civilization, to your tolerance, to your humanity.

https://www.firstpost.com/...israeli-pms-speech-4304075.html


quote:

Benjamin Netanyahu trip highlights India's tiny Jewish community ...

https://www.livemint.com › Politics › Policy

Jan 14, 2018 - Benjamin Netanyahu will be only the second Israeli PM to visit India and the first since ... These include Bene Israelis, who have the longest history in India, and ... or heard of anyone being a victim of anti-semitism in India.

The Indian Jews at the heart of the Netanyahu-Modi love affair - Israel ...

https://www.haaretz.com › Israel News

Jan 14, 2018 - As Netanyahu arrives to seal the cracks in the two countries' burgeoning relations, here's a closer look at the vibrant Jewish communities both ...

Natalie Portman's boycott of Netanyahu borders on anti-Semitism ...

https://www.haaretz.com › Israel News

Apr 22, 2018 - Boycotting Israel has elements of anti-Semitism,” Steinitz asserted, adding that Portman would not have boycotted China or India. .... joins those who relate to the story of the success and wonder of the establishment of Israel ...

For the first Indian Jews, assimilation in Israel was not easy | The ...

https://indianexpress.com › Research

Jan 16, 2018 - Post 1948, India-Israel relations have been affected not just by the ... the Jews in India are believed to have led lives free of anti-semitism, ... Among the four sects of Jews in India, there were significant differences in origins, ...

History of the Jews in India - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_India

Jump to Bene Israel - Foreign notices of the Bene Israel go back at least to 1768, when ... historically lived in India without any instances of antisemitism ...

India–Israel relations - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India–Israel_relations

India–Israel relations refers to the bilateral ties between the Republic of India and the State of .... Following the visit, the two countries set up a joint anti-terror commission. ...... but unlike many parts of the world, have historically lived in India without any instances of antisemitism from the local majority populace, the Hindus.

'Shalom, Namaste': Netanyahu visit highlights diversity of India's Jews

https://www.i24news.tv/...-namaste-netanyahu-visit-highlight...

Jan 17, 2018 - He has witnessed first-hand the trajectory of India-Israel relations and on the ... Their origins date back to antiquity, and they have so well integrated into ... aloof from the other "we have never ever faced anti-Semitism here.".


ON CHINA

quote:

PM Netanyahu in Shanghai

Visits high-tech industrial park, meets with Israeli and Chinese businesspeople

07 May 2013

....

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, met on Monday evening (6 May 2013), in Shanghai, with dozens of Israeli businesspeople who represent companies that operate in Shanghai in order to consider ways to increase bilateral trade. The Israeli company representatives expressed great appreciation for the Prime Minister's efforts to increase trade with China and noted the great importance of government support to doing business in China.

Prime Minister Netanyahu said, "I represent you before the Chinese government. I want to hear from you what I need to tell them in order to help you. I know that the Chinese ascribe great importance to government backing for business and I intend to give you this backing. We must make the national effort to enter Chinese markets and to create partnerships. In addition to your private initiatives, we need to create a government track with the Chinese."

....

At the start of the meeting, Prime Minister Netanyahu said that he was pleased to be in Shanghai, to view its great successes and to gain a glimpse of its future. He noted that the Jewish People and the residents of Shanghai have a special relationship and added that the former would always be grateful for the refuge that was granted to Jews who fled the holocaust.

Prime Minister Netanyahu said that China is not only one of the few countries untainted by anti-Semitism but has supported the Jews. He added that he believes that there is mutual appreciation between the Jewish and Chinese peoples, both of whom have ancient roots and have succeeded in harnessing their knowledge for future benefit. He commended Shanghai for embodying this partnership in the best way possible.

http://mfa.gov.il/...M-Netanyahu-in-Shanghai-6-May-2013.aspx


quote:

Jews remain a small minority in China, but unlike Jewish communities in many other parts of the world, Jews have historically lived in China without any instances of antisemitism from the Han majority populace contributing to mutual respect and admiration between the two peoples.[5][2][9][10] Modern Han Chinese have developed a favorable view of Jews, admiring them for their contributions to humanity, their ability to survive, the sharing of Chinese values such as family, frugality, hard work and education, and being products of ancient civilizations have been an impetus towards the long and enduring friendship between the Chinese and Jewish peoples.[6][5][7][5][2][11] With the intrinsic affinity that the Chinese people feel for the Jews, relations between the two communities have been mutually close, harmonious and friendly, due to shared common cultural similarities between the two peoples which has resulted in Jews enjoying equal rights and coexisting peacefully alongside the mainstream Han Chinese populace with instances of Jews assimilating into the Han Chinese community through intermarriage.[2][12][3][13][14] Shared affinities and similar cultural commonalities has not only been an impetus for the close bonds between China and Israel but has also created a symbol of brotherhood between the two communities.[6][11][15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_China


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Message 34 of 34 (837729)
08-08-2018 12:51 AM


A March 27 2018 article on ALL attacks on Christians in 2017 India
Remember that India is a nation of 1.4 billion people (28 times the size of EACH of the nations like France, Italy, United Kingdom, etc.)

quote:

India's Christians fault Hindu PM for rising climate of persecution

By Jason Overdorf — Special to The Washington Times - - Tuesday, March 27, 2018

NEW DELHI — Religious clashes in the troubled northern Indian state of Jamma and Kashmir are nothing new, but the riot that broke in January targeted an unexpected group: Christians.

While most of the state’s problems pit an Islamist separatist movement against India’s Hindu majority, Christianity was at the heart of the violence this time as a mob of thousands interrupted a burial ceremony to seize the body of the deceased for a Hindu cremation.

Local Christians and international religious rights groups say anti-Christian incidents are on the rise, particularly since Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party assumed power in 2014. They contend that the government’s failure to censure local leaders for inflammatory rhetoric and sectarian persecution has encouraged a culture of impunity for anti-minority violence — a charge the BJP denies.

The Evangelical Fellowship of India documented some 350 cases of violence and other forms of persecution against Christians last year. That is more than double the rate compared with the 140 annually before the BJP assumed power and the highest level of violence since an anti-Christian pogrom that resulted in dozens of rapes and killings and the burning of hundreds of churches in the state of Odisha in 2008, said EFI Executive Director Vijayesh Lal.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/...-indias-christian-persecu


So if India was the side of say Italy THEN THERE WOULD BE A GRAND TOTAL of 10 attacks (350 divided by 30 is about 10) on Christians in 2017.

It isn't even clear the attackers were mostly Hindus anyway.

So a poor nation that has 350 attacks on Christians in 2017.

Alleged. (and preachers and Christian organizations have a well documented history of telling blatant lies about India attacking Christians)

Not all Hindu

And only a fraction result in deaths.

(the above article had links embedded in the text)

NOW FOR THE FAMOUS COW DEATHS

quote:

Cow Terrorism killed 23 since 2014

Subodh Varma

June 30 2017

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...icleshow/59378467.cms


23 deaths over cows in a nation of 1.4 billion

A poor nation .

And over three years.

Not bad considering Muslims slaughtered 500,000 Hindus a while back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide

see this big list

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_India

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