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Author | Topic: Immigrants good for me and you? Bad? How to make a good answer that is accurate? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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... What is this big push for having no standards at all? ... when sensible nations have always had immigration standards? The US originally had no standards. The Statue of Liberty does not qualify it's open door statement with standards. We are (supposedly) "the land of the free and the home of the brave" and we pledge allegiance to "one nation ... indivisible, with liberty and justice for all" and finally, there is no mention of standards in the constitution for new immigrants (having been written by recent immigrants who came with standards applied). This is (or was) our national persona.
... but even if illegal uncontrolled immigration has some positive effects why support such a chaotic nonsystem ... So make it simple. A simple standard is: if you get arrested and then convicted of a crime you get deported. A simple standard for citizenship is: if you earn a GED (high school -- including english language and american history) then you can take the test.
And of course I object to this kneejerk PC leftist accusation of racism of anyone who supports such standards. The standards usually have to do with level of education and shared cultural values, NOT racism. ... That depends a lot on what "shared cultural values" means. Maybe not racism per se but certainly open to bias and bigotry (anti-muslim for instance). Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: What is this big push for having no standards at all? No one has suggested having no standards at all except YOU.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Open Borders is having no standards.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm for bias and bigotry if it means excluding criminals, jihadists and leftists/communists/ and people who poop on sidewalks..
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
If somebody says, "My door is always open," that doesn't mean you can go in and steal his stapler. It still implies a certain standard of courtesy is expected. Open Borders is having no standards.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
How about if a hundred people want to camp in your living room?
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
After the first dozen or so, their enthusiasm will probably start to wane. How about if a hundred people want to camp in your living room? Do you really think people would try to jam themseves in where there's no room? Populations tend to be self-regulating. That's what causes migration in the first place.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Open Borders is having no standards. Only in the mind of the Cult of Ignorance and those totally disconnected from reality. All of our laws sill stand as well as all of our societal norms. The standards are still there and that was the norm for most of my life; you arrived at a border and when leaving they waved at you and when entering they asked you a few questions. The same process in reverse happened when you returned. No passports were needed in either direction and the system worked.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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I'm for bias and bigotry ... We know. Just don't call it racist, even though it is just as bad ... kind of the litmus test for bias and bigotry in the US these days. But that's your "shared cultural values" ...
if it means excluding criminals, ... Anyone with a criminal record gets deported, unless they can show they qualify for amnesty.
... jihadists ... Who always identify themselves at the border ... isolating them is no different than isolating "home grown" terrorists and hate group members.
... and leftists ... That's you with your bias and bigotry again, laughable this one, and again there are "home grown" Americans that are leftist (which is no crime last time I looked ... it's just political leaning, the kind of politics that brought you 8 hour days, weekends and vacations ...).
... communists ... Again, politics, and lots of Americans are members already ... home grown ... and it too is not a crime ...
... and people who poop on sidewalks. Now you're just being facetious ... The point I would make is that if there are immigrants that are essentially no different than current Americans, by what "standard" are they to be excluded? Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: I'm for bias and bigotry if it means excluding criminals, jihadists and leftists/communists/ and people who poop on sidewalks.. Too funny. You certainly are worthy of a chuckle or three. Open borders does not mean it becomes legal to commit crimes in the US and being a leftist or communist is not illegal in the US anyway. But your bigotry does shine through.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The standards are still there and that was the norm for most of my life; you arrived at a border and when leaving they waved at you and when entering they asked you a few questions. The same process in reverse happened when you returned. No passports were needed in either direction and the system worked. Similar for us crossing the border to Canada. We even used Canadian coins at par value. I was amused when I went to North Carolina and was buying some food, and the cashier stopped, looked down, picked up the Canadian penny I had put down and said "I'm sorry sir, we do not take foreign currency here" ... a penny. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And speaking of Jhadists; all of the 9-11 terrorists entered the US with valid Visas. None of them waded the Rio Grande or wandered through the scrub or suffered the 100+ temperatures for a hike of tens of miles without water or supplies.
Faith is simply totally disconnected from reality.
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
It does, but I bet I could get in. I'm for bias and bigotry if it means excluding... leftists/communists....And our geese will blot out the sun.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I wonder if Faith supports letting in the Rightist/Fascists?
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Taq Member Posts: 10033 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Faith writes: I'm for bias and bigotry if it means excluding criminals, jihadists and leftists/communists/ and people who poop on sidewalks.. If that is the case, then there wouldn't be a President Donald Trump. The first Trump to immigrate to the US (Frederick Trump) started a restaurant that included "female companionship", otherwise known as prostitution. Frederick Trump - Wikipedia
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