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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 738 days) Posts: 2236 Joined: |
Somehow this (and see chapter 65 and all of 66) is used to justify throwing away the rule against eating pork. (see Faith's post for that source and quote)
quote: The Lion and Lamb not eating flesh is in chapter 65. There was a general attack on certain Israelite practices (how common, I have no idea, but pork bones are almost non existent in Israelite and Canaanite sites during the period of Isaiah). This is proof that ANYTHING can be twisted into saying the exact opposite. (There was a school of Pre Christian Nazarenes that did not eat meat and felt that Moses never legislated flesh sacrifices, like Jeremiah 7:22 seems to be saying)
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 738 days) Posts: 2236 Joined: |
quote: You have no primary source. Just lies. Anybody can quote lies.
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 738 days) Posts: 2236 Joined: |
quote: I don't know if there was a Moses type who ever legislated sacrifice. Jeremiah seemed to question such a thing. See Jeremiah 7:22.
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 738 days) Posts: 2236 Joined: |
So where is your primary source saying Canaanites sacrificed pigs?
Just a bunch of claims. By people who lie. Where are pigs mentioned in Ugaritic Offering lists? There is NOTHING even in the Bible to come close to backing up this claim.
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 738 days) Posts: 2236 Joined: |
It is a bold faced lie to attempt to describe ANYTHING (relative to the animals being sacrificed) as being anything - in any way - to radically distance Israelites from Canaanites. Same with food.
This Fundi source below says the Israelites had sacrifice before the Canaanites, and goes to great lengths to describe the differences between the two. Ugarit - Encyclopedia of The Bible - Bible Gateway Notice no mention of pigs! (No evidence INFACT there is only evidence that Canaanites did NOT sacrifice pigs)
quote: Faith wants my posts reduced to a few sentences so she can repeat lies. So much for her claims that she and Fundi Christians are against sins.
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 738 days) Posts: 2236 Joined: |
At least I have quality sources and reference to the actual texts that matter.
Faith has nothing but dishonest assertions. (Really, I know of nothing in the Jewish rabbinical commentary that backs up this fundi claim that she and the trillions of fundis regurgitate) Roland de Vaux was a great conservative Christian scholar, and I showed he very clearly dismissed the idea of Isaiah 66:3 as representing Canaanite practice. I can't even have an honest discussion with Faith. She makes claims, and can't back them up. The only slight truth to her claim is that Israeli and Canaanite peoples were so closely related, that ANY ISRAELITE that ate pork can be said to have been PERFORMING a "heathen" practice (geographically, I suppose this could perhaps be broadly called "Canaanite" - to simply describe an apostate Israelite - though Canaanites themselves did not eat pork.) I have looked at the archaeological record of pre-Israelite cult places and they are lacking pig bones. Look at the book search for: Ethno Genesis by Avraham Faust pig bones Canaanites Now, he was attempting to make the case for less pig bones in Israelite sites, but he admitted that 2 important Canaanite cult sites lacked pig bones (in the latest Canaanite periods): Tell ed-Duweir Shiloh The chapter can be read on google books. I can find more examples perhaps. I am trying to get more information. Shiloh seems to be a cult site (for certain) and it lacked pig bones after the 18th century BCE, but the bones were 3.5% pigs before then. If I understand the archaeological terminology correctly (I admit I had to look it up to figure the terms year date meanings). Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 738 days) Posts: 2236 Joined: |
(She has nothing in the Bible to back her claims, no Canaanite texts, no classical Phoenician texts SO HOW ABOUT ARCHAEOLOGY?)
I was just looking at the important cultic site of Shiloh and was attempting to look at pig bones. This five day old article sees this as almost something of another Temple Mount in terms of importance, the difference is it can be (and is) excavated. Assemblies of God (USA) Official Web Site | CHLS Joins ABR in Historic Dig in Shiloh I found it because there is one (and only one) source that claims that 6% of pre-Israelite animal bones found in Shiloh were pig bones, while all other sources place it at 0% to 0.17%. Page 217, Beyond the Texts: An Archaeological Portrait of Ancient Israel and JudahBy William G. Dever, has a chart that places Pre Israelite Shiloh pig bones at 6% (then a chart showing the Israelite Shiloh suddenly turned to 0% pig bones) , but this 5 day old article says they were no higher than 4%. Everyone else has Shiloh at about 0% for like 500 years before this sacrificial center transitioned from Canaanite to Israelite. Here:
quote: And Here:
quote: Faith might not care, and perhaps you don't either. But a claim was made and it would be nice if she was forced to confront the total lack of evidence. (She won't) EDIT SHE DID! I need to see what she has. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 738 days) Posts: 2236 Joined: |
I see that Hitites would not sacrifice pigs or dogs.
Egyptians would not. Canaanite Shiloh didn't seem to from the Middle Bronze Age III on (whatever date that is, I assume it is Canaanite) During the entire Iron Age, Canaanite Dor had no pig bones. It depends on the site though. I will look at this more closely in the coming days. Thanks for taking a shot at the evidence Faith. (Shiloh in the Canaanite period is described as having pig bones at a 6% rate "Late Bronze Age" by the William Dever 2018 book, but that is contradicted by everything else that places it at 0.17%) Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 738 days) Posts: 2236 Joined: |
quote: There is a difference between foods that are o.k. to eat and then the much more limited foods fit for sacrifice. Thousands of bones have been found at the Israelite cult site of Mt Ebal. 300,000 to be exact. The Israelite period have animals not fit for sacrifice (but fit for eating) like roe deer. See: History, Archaeology and The Bible Forty Years After "Historicity": Changing ...edited by Ingrid Hjelm, Thomas L. Thompson pp. 120-21
quote: This was describing the early Israelite period. But it is consistent with sacrifice of killing any firstborn animal that opens the matrix in Exodus, I suppose.
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