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Message 1252 of 1484 (835841)
07-02-2018 12:00 PM
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07-02-2018 11:58 AM


Re: Thank God that God hs no standing
See how far you get pushing Muslims or maybe even some other classes of religious believer on gay marriage. So far the law has only confronted Christians, but there are certainly other groups whose beliefs oppose it.

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Message 1257 of 1484 (835890)
07-03-2018 1:30 PM
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07-02-2018 2:38 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
I don't kinow the history of all that but I'd guess it's also about what marriage is and what it's for and not about gays.

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Message 1261 of 1484 (838214)
08-16-2018 11:09 AM
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08-16-2018 9:46 AM


Re: Jack Phillips shows his utter ignorance yet again.
There is a biblical law against dressing as the opposite sex.
Deuteronomy 22:5 writes:
A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.
jar writes:
sex is NOT given by God, nor are male & female to only choices,
Genesis 1:27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 6:19
And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
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Message 1264 of 1484 (838218)
08-16-2018 11:22 AM
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08-16-2018 11:19 AM


Re: Jack Phillips shows his utter ignorance yet again.
That is a symbolic law which is not binding now, just as the food laws only applied to Israel as symbolic of the idolatries they were to avoid. The laws I'm quoting are moral laws which are still binding. This has been answered a million times here already.
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Message 1265 of 1484 (838219)
08-16-2018 11:25 AM
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08-16-2018 11:17 AM


Re: Jack Phillips shows his utter ignorance yet again.
the cake was explicitly requested as a celebration of being transgender.

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Message 1267 of 1484 (838223)
08-16-2018 11:38 AM
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08-16-2018 11:30 AM


Re: Jack Phillips shows his utter ignorance yet again.
Biblical law underlies western law, but even if that weren't the case Christians must obey God when there is a conflict with secular law.
And your third statement is false.
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Message 1270 of 1484 (838229)
08-16-2018 12:51 PM
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08-16-2018 11:55 AM


Re: Jack Phillips shows his utter ignorance yet again.
That concerns survival not courtesy, and certainly does not apply to transgenderism.
And acts of mercy are always permitted on the Sabbath, they are not in the category of the forbidden work.
There are various interpretations of Naaman's situation too, but my guess would be that it wouldn't be long before the Holy Spirit so convicted him of supporting the idolatry of his nation that he'd have to find other work or accept martyrdom.
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Message 1272 of 1484 (838232)
08-16-2018 1:32 PM
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08-16-2018 11:43 AM


Re: Jack Phillips shows his utter ignorance yet again.
How you determine which Old testament laws are binding now?
Only the moral laws are binding, that is, those based on the Ten Commandments. Everything related to sex and sexuality is discussed in the Law as under the commandment against adultery.

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Message 1277 of 1484 (838251)
08-16-2018 10:57 PM
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08-16-2018 5:57 PM


Re: Jack Phillips shows his utter ignorance yet again.
Jesus explains adultery as lust in the heart, which applies to both men and women and doesn't seem at all related to property.

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Message 1281 of 1484 (838268)
08-17-2018 12:22 PM
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08-17-2018 12:05 PM


Re: Jack Phillips shows his utter ignorance yet again.
He wasn't redefining the sin, He was explaining that we are culpable for our inner thoughts and desires and not just for our outward actions.
Women have always had to read ourselves into biblical admonitions to men where apoplicable and we're certainly included in this one and all the Ten Commandments. In fact the duo of Adam and Eve is called Adam in Genesis.
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Message 1287 of 1484 (838326)
08-19-2018 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1286 by LamarkNewAge
08-18-2018 12:28 AM


Israel's food laws
Your mention of Hinduism's sacred cow is utterly incomprehensible in this context.
The food laws of ancient Israel had various purposes but keeping the nation separate from the heathen nations was a big part of them:
Pork for instance:
The whole world in Moses’ time was idolatrous, with each nation believing in many deities. The forbidding of certain foods such as eating pork clearly distinguished between what would later be termed Jew and Gentile. The dietary restrictions further indicated that Israel was a separate nation, a chosen people, and this helped the Israelites to break free from idolatrya sin they struggled with (see Exodus 32).
Under the Old Testament Law, even touching the meat of swine made one ritually unclean (Deuteronomy 14:8). This detail further insulated the Israelites from pagan practices. The Canaanites kept herds of swine and sacrificed them to idols. The connection between swine and pagan worship became so strong that the prophet Isaiah equated the sacrificial offering of pig’s blood with murderboth are called abominations (Isaiah 66:3).

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Message 1290 of 1484 (838345)
08-19-2018 5:05 PM
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08-19-2018 4:25 PM


Re: Israel's food laws
You could have said all that in a few short sentences. Your way of interpreting things is bizarre and I often just skip over your posts because I can see there are too many things in them I'd have to correct. And I refuse to consider that my sources are liars. I'm sorry I answered you at all.
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Message 1294 of 1484 (838349)
08-19-2018 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1291 by LamarkNewAge
08-19-2018 5:05 PM


Re: Fundi "Christians" use VEGETARIAN verse ( Is. 66:3) to justify killing & eating pigs
Do you have ANY idea what you are talking about? This kind of nonsense is why I don't usually venture to answer anything you post. You just don't know what you are talking about. Do you have any clue at all to the context of that passage of Isaiah 66? I'm sure you don't. You are always getting this sort of thing so extremely weirdly wrong it would take years to begin to set you straight. You seem to have amassed a lot of knowledge that you have NO idea how to use.
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Message 1300 of 1484 (838358)
08-20-2018 12:27 AM
Reply to: Message 1298 by LamarkNewAge
08-19-2018 9:51 PM


Re: For the record: Canaanites sacrificial system was largely adopted by Israelites.
Roland de Vaux was a great conservative Christian scholar, and I showed he very clearly dismissed the idea of Isaiah 66:3 as representing Canaanite practice.
I see nothing in Isaiah 66:3 about Canaanites. What are you talking about?
...Canaanites themselves did not eat pork.)
take a look at this paper. Scroll down to "Pigs at Sites in Canaan" where the first line is: "In Canaan at Early Bronze Arad, pig bones were found at all strata of the Early Bronze..."
I quote that because it contradicts what you said about Canaanites not eating pork. But such archaeological evidence is open to error since they usually haven't excavated a whole site, which is mentioned in the article as a problem, and the presence of bones has to be subject to wrong interpretations anyway, so I don't want to make anything of it beyond that. And I really don't care about any of this stuff, it's way too iffy.
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Message 1304 of 1484 (838362)
08-20-2018 2:07 AM
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08-20-2018 12:58 AM


Re: For the record: Canaanites sacrificial system was largely adopted by Israelites.
You really don't give enough explanation for a person to know what you are trying to say. I don't know where Mt. Ebal is, or Mt. Gerizim without looking on a map, and I don't know what the significance of those locations is in what you are trying to say, and I don't really trust archaeological dates, and I just have no idea what all those bones actually signify, and I'm not sure the archaeologists do either. As the Bible says the Israelites failed to drive out all the peoples God commanded them to, so how could one know, even if the dates are right, even if they identify the "Israelite period" how could anyone know how the bones got there or who was responsible for it? Let alone what it means. If the clues are there you haven't made use of them. The Israelites in the period of the Judges after the conquest of Canaan were always disobeying God too. If you are trying to make a case you have to take all of this into account.
You also say there is a difference between foods for eating and foods for sacrifice, but aren't making a case based on that for anything in particular that I can see. The priests were supposed to eat the sacrifice according to the scripture. But again it's hard to know what your evidence means. Does it pertain to Israelites at all, does it show them being disobedient or obedient to the scripture etc etc etc.
And this is way off topic for this thread, and again I am not into any of this stuft at all.
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