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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: If the content doesn’t matter why would it matter where that content originated ?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
The truth is still the truth regardless of the motive of the teller.
In Genesis 3 the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil , did open Adam and Eve’s eyes and did make them like God in that one respect. Just as the serpent said. Genesis 3:5
For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.
Genesis 3:7
Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.
Genesis 3:22
Then the Lord God said, Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil...
Read it in context if you doubt me. It’s easy enough. Or are you going to reject the content because you suspect my motive in accurately reporting it ?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: That hardly applies in this case. And I note that you do not produce an example.
quote: That is not in the story at all. Indeed, Adam and Eve are able to make clothing of a sort, and their limitations in that respect are hardly due to being united to Satan.
quote: That isn’t in the story either.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: But that isn’t an example. There’s no lie there at all.
quote: Which is quite true. Bit from the fact that the fruit is not a poison as Eve apparently feared and because at that point she could still have eaten from the Tree if Life and lived forever.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: It certainly proves you wrong. They were able to work at doing right andonly their human limitations made their attemp inferior to God’s (and if God couldn’t do better than two ignorant humans who had never made a stitch of clothing in their lives it would be a poor show indeed)
quote: Of course I didn’t say that.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: It isn’t.
quote: Oh it’s not about helping you, it’s about countering your lies.
quote: It’s not really there, though, is it ? Eve thought the fruit was good to eat and wanted the understanding it brought but that is hardly wanting to be apart from God. And I note you didn’t bother to quote anything about uniting with God’s enemy. Indeed man only had to die because God was afraid of Man attaining immortality as well (3:22-4)
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Relying on literal translations of idioms is hardly a sensible way to understand them.
quote: That death did not occur on the day he ate the fruit so it is certainly not as God warned. Nor was it sure before his exile from the Garden as I have already pointed out.
quote: Apart from being unable to eat from the Tree of Life, which would have let them live forever. Moreover the story gives no reason to think that they were immortal before eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
quote: No, I argue about certainty. It was not certain that Eve would die when the serpent spoke, even if she ate the fruit. Therefore it was false to say that she would surely die.
quote: The serpent’s of course. Adam and Eve’s death was not certain until God exiled them, which had not happened when the Serpent spoke. And neither Adam or Eve literally died the day that they ate the fruit.
quote: I understand. You have to lie about me because I refuse to believe my lies. You phony Christians are all alike.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: That is certainly not true. Both Alexander and Julius Caesar had massive impact in life and left far more evidence (which is certainly not limited to written evidence). Jesus was an obscure figure who left little trace in the events of the time. Christian apologists, sadly, have little regard for the truth.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: I have very few arguing about Jesus either. But what impact did Jesus have in life that compares to Alexander’s conquest of the Persian Empire ? Caesar’s impact was not so great as that, but he was deeply involved in Roman politics, conquered Gaul and brought about the end of the Republic. Simply talking about the impact of Christianity today is an evasion of the point. In life Jesus was a briefly faddish preacher with perhaps a few hundred followers. You should accept that because how else to explain the poverty of the record ? We have nothing written about him while he lived.
quote: I was neither claiming that Jesus was fictitious nor talking about anyone’s influence on my life. Therefore the question is quite absurd. The question is the matter of historical evidence.
quote: None of them.
quote: You are wrong. But to add a point relevant to historical evidence we have Caesar’s words in his own writings. Jesus left none. All we have are words attributed to him, decades after he died, themselves translations, since Jesus would have spoken Aramaic, not the Greek of the New Testament.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: And many of those posts do not deal with words attributed to Jesus. As you certainly ought to know.
quote: Your continued attempts to change the subject prove that you know I’m right. Why not have the honesty to admit it ?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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The fig tree couldn’t offer fruit because it wasn’t the right time of the year. Why get angry at the tree for that ? It’s not the tree’s fault.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Figs don’t have fruit before late May, so that is highly implausible. Even if it was true it wouldn’t be a reason to blame the tree.
quote: Well you just go on following your false teachers and rejecting the Bible in favour of your own opinions since you like it so much. That’s nobody’s loss but yours.
quote: Falsehoods do not qualify as good information no matter how much you like them.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: A pretty destructive teaching method. Especially when the problem was his own unrealistic expectations.
quote: You complain because your assertions are shown to be false, and then you boast about believing the truth.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
The biggest objection to be raised against this point is that there is no third group present. There is nobody so poor as to be excluded, nor any separate group to be identified as these - whether qualified with My brethren (as in verse 40) or not (verse 45).
The preceding Parable of the Talents has also told us that those who do nothing with what they are entrusted with will be cast into the outer darkness In Matthew 23:8 Jesus tells everyone listening to him that they are all brothers. The disciples and the assembled crowd (23:1)
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
If you think that English words somehow exist independently of humans try reading this
And that is still English. Just very old English.
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