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jaywill
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Message 1307 of 1748 (839478)
09-08-2018 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1301 by Faith
09-08-2018 1:36 PM


Re: Back to the End Times
I don't think Tangle actually reads the Bible.
The Bible has a funny effect on some people. The less they read it the more they fancy themselves to be experts on it. On the Internet some of the ones who think they understand what's there the most actually read it the least.
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jaywill
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Message 1308 of 1748 (839479)
09-08-2018 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1305 by Phat
09-08-2018 3:48 PM


A brief word about that Beast.
I'm sorry if I come across grumpy about talking about Antichrist.
Without going into verses right now, I will give you a little about this guy. What I write you can count on me being able to at least reasonably substantiate with the Scriptures.
Someone will come along who is brilliant, intelligent and impressive. He may come from Greece or be of Greek origin. For the first part of his career he may be a great peace maker. He will be so attractive, wise, even physically imposing, the kind of person everyone wants to be.
Midway through his being in power he will be killed or assassinated. And then he will resuscitate and be involved in a miracle of coming back to life. Now when he comes back to life he will be extraordinarily different.
He will have the same body but be in some exceedingly deep occultism way inhabited with the spirit of another man from the past - Nero. In other words he will have the body of a modern man, be killed, come back to life with the soul and spirit of someone from the ancient past - Caesar Nero. From attractive hero to terrible monster he will have gone. This will be extraordinary.
Virtually this will be Nero coming back from the bottomless pit of the Abyss and inhabiting the physical body of a modern man who was killed.
He will be joined by someone else from the ancient past - I believe this could be Judas Iscariot as his false prophet.
In this way two persons from the past - Moses and Elijah (probably) as the two Witnesses will be matched by two other people from the past - Nero and Judas.
This has all be reasoned out by some astute Bible scholars. If I am wrong then, whatever the case may be, it will be dreadful to be on the earth at that time.
In fact the earth will at some time be no more fit for human habitation.
In prophecy we usually have only the tip of the iceberg. Scientist will not be able to explain all the things which are then happening to the earth. We HAVE to expected surprises of which we may have no knowledge of now.
The best assurance is the walk in fellowship with the living and available Christ now by patience and practice and watching vigilance.
Now, I've said a little about this person the Antichrist and his false prophet.
Two against two - God has a situation on the earth at that time which will virtually polarize the world to fall in one camp or the other, pretty much.
Christians now, should they be alive, should want to view these matters from above and not here to be under this kind of terrible situation. But it is inevitable that some of the church will pass through the great tribulation.
The GOOD side of the Antichrist may be present for a few years. And the nightmarish side of him after he is killed and returned to life, will be the time specifically of the great tribulation.
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jaywill
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Message 1310 of 1748 (839483)
09-09-2018 3:20 AM
Reply to: Message 1309 by Tangle
09-09-2018 2:39 AM


Re: Back to the End Times
quote:
Tangle doesn't read the bible. But Tangle has read the bible. Tangle thinks that people who spend large parts of their lives reading the same book over and over have a kind of mental illness for living to read and pray over the Bible.
Some of the engineers, physicians and scientists among the people I worship with would be amused to be informed by you that they were mentally ill.
You also don't know about the RHEMA and the LOGOS of the word of God. God is living. God illuminates on His word by, like, breathing fresh speaking with it to our hearts.
The is the rhema of the living Spirit's enlivening the words of the Bible to us.
So it never get old because the spiritual life within us is always fresh and never grows old.
quote:
The Bible has a funny effect on some people. The less they read it the more they fancy themselves to be experts on it.
It only had a funny effect on me when I found out that there were a very large number of grown-ups that thought the little moral stories in it were actually real life events. Eve made from Adams rib. People made whole from dust, talking snakes, giants, animals entering an ark 2 by 2 etc etc etc. That had a VERY funny effect on me.
I'm still waiting for this to hit me like a ton of bricks. It seems to impress you.
God building a wife for Adam out of Adam is too profound. It is a window into the whole meaning of human existence. What comes back to God is that which He will take out of Christ. That which is to come out of Christ God builds into a counterpart to match Christ for eternity.
You mock the Bible but it has within it the meaning of the universe and the eternal purpose of the Creator. The one became two. Then the two came together to become one.
You cannot know the meaning of human creation unless you know Jesus Christ - God and man united as one.
The loss is yours that you dismiss certain things in the Bible. I think a wiser person would not discard this book in the way you do. I'm glad keener intellects have kept on reading.
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jaywill
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From: VA USA
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Message 1311 of 1748 (839484)
09-09-2018 3:25 AM


Somebody ask Tangle to put three consecutive sentences together explaining WHY he is here in the universe.
I know why I exist, because of the blessing of the wonderful Holy Bible that reveals it.
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jaywill
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From: VA USA
Joined: 12-05-2005


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Message 1316 of 1748 (839497)
09-09-2018 8:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1313 by Tangle
09-09-2018 3:55 AM


quote:
I'm here jaywill, you can ask me directly.
Oh? I asked you other questions directly and was evaded.
quote:
Do you imaginine yourself preaching to a congrgation here?
What's wrong with preaching to a congregation ? Are you tied down in some pew? You can challenge, debate, or take the talk in a whole different direction.
quote:
And why we're about it, did Armstrong walk on the moon?
I was alive to watch the event on TV in 1969. I don't know how old you are. Since then, actually, long afterwards, I began to have doubts. There was something fishy in the matter.
Now, I have come to think it was - One small step for man and one giant leap for American propaganda.
I could be wrong. I consider myself open minded about counter arguments. And that is a lot more open minded then you are about the New Testament.
The other thing I mentioned was the belief that the entire biosphere lucked out by macro evolution into all the vast diversity of life forms we see around us. While I recognize micro evolution, macro evolution I have to dismiss as a fairy tale for adults.
But concerning all the videos of moon walks ? I cannot shake the feeling that we've been had by Cold War propaganda. And ANY counter argument I listen to and continue to weigh them.
quote:
If you refuse to answer for a third time, I will conclude that you don't believe that he did.
I didn't notice you asked in two previous times. That's what happens when you poison the well of discussion boards with insults. People STOP reading your stuff. And people stop addressing you directly.
So this is the FIRST time I noticed you ASKED. You come to a BIBLE STUDY to denigrade the Bible. Why waste your time then? Go to one of the forums where you have something to contribute to further the study of whatever it is that is being studied.
You come in here not to study anything but to totally insult some of us who come for "Bible Study." So that's what happens. Your posts get not read or not read carefully.
And I'm not the only one here to preach. You come to preach your contempt for a book on earth like no other. And I know there are some candidates for comparison.
Now you can put together two or three sentences to tell us what you have INSTEAD of the teaching of Jesus Christ and the prophecy of the climax of human history.
Got something more interesting or better? Here's your chance to put it up for comparison to the End Times as the Bible explains.
Oh, one last thing about the "preaching to a congregation" thing. Don't insult my intelligence by suggesting you don't enjoy your OWN skeptical "Amen Corner". You enjoy plenty of support from your skeptical and cynical Amen Corner.
There's more of you guys than there are of us who believe something of the Bible. In fact some of you strut around here like you own the whole Forum.
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jaywill
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Posts: 4519
From: VA USA
Joined: 12-05-2005


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Message 1317 of 1748 (839500)
09-09-2018 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 1312 by Tangle
09-09-2018 3:51 AM


Re: Back to the End Times
quote:
I certainly don't know that, what's more, neither do you. That's the stuff of delusional belief systems.
So I ask you again. Who in human history do you think displayed more of a sober minded grasp of proper priorities on reasoning, ethics, morality, and human purpose than Jesus Christ ?
Who do you find to be more sober minded?
This time don't hide behind The Hobbit characters.
Have you studied what other great minds in the world have had to say about Jesus?
H.G. Wells was no evangelical Christian. He was somewhat before his time. He wrote "An Outline of History," "The Shape of Things to Come," "The Time Machine." "War of the Worlds". etc.
H.G. Wells said something like when Jesus opened His mouth His libs contained the whole world.
I agree. Jesus' simple words touch the heart of the human situation to the core in crystal clear clarity. Propose a more sound mind in history than that of Jesus of Nazareth.
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jaywill
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Posts: 4519
From: VA USA
Joined: 12-05-2005


Message 1326 of 1748 (839523)
09-09-2018 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1325 by Tangle
09-09-2018 2:43 PM


Re: Back to the End Times
So your implied answer is that Jesus of Nazareth was not a person in history.
You are a "Jesus Myther" then ?
No such person ever lived at all ?
quote:
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
You observed that no such person as Jesus of Nazareth ever lived though we have more reason to hold he lived then we do that Alexander the Great lived or surely as much that Julius Caesar lived.
Wherever you got your education you should go get your money back.
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jaywill
Member (Idle past 1941 days)
Posts: 4519
From: VA USA
Joined: 12-05-2005


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Message 1329 of 1748 (839530)
09-10-2018 1:27 AM
Reply to: Message 1328 by PaulK
09-10-2018 12:26 AM


Re: Back to the End Times
quote:
That is certainly not true. Both Alexander and Julius Caesar had massive impact in life and left far more evidence (which is certainly not limited to written evidence). Jesus was an obscure figure who left little trace in the events of the time.
You have here over 14,300 posts. How many posts do you have on this Forum or on any other, in which you argued / debated about Alexander the Great or Julius Caesar ?
Don't you think you have given undue attention to disputing the impact on your life of Christ, if Christ is merely fictional compared to those men ?
In the wee hours of the night, whose influence do you contemplate more, that of Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar or Jesus Christ ?
I think you contemplate the words of Jesus and what they may mean to you more than the lives of Alexander the Great or Julius Caesar.
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jaywill
Member (Idle past 1941 days)
Posts: 4519
From: VA USA
Joined: 12-05-2005


Message 1331 of 1748 (839532)
09-10-2018 2:14 AM
Reply to: Message 1325 by Tangle
09-09-2018 2:43 PM


Re: Back to the End Times
quote:
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
I would like you to apply your axiom to this lecture to see if any of your views on moon landings are affected. Maybe you have some essentially religious beliefs about the claims of scientists at NASA. Maybe you piously preserve some modern superstitions.
Has Man Ever Set Foot on the Moon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fw1l-4EBEI
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jaywill
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Posts: 4519
From: VA USA
Joined: 12-05-2005


Message 1332 of 1748 (839534)
09-10-2018 2:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by PaulK
06-24-2018 4:46 PM


quote:
The End is Coming Soon is quite a cliche. There have been numerous occasions in the past where Christians have believed that the end times are almost upon us. And - certainly today - there is no shortage of people prepared to profit from it. We even see daft ideas like bar-codes being the Mark of the Beast (they aren’t).
But what does the Bible really say. You won’t find out from those selling an imminent apocalypse.
I intend to survey the major end-time predictions and see if they really do match the present situation.
Bible Study please.
You wrote here about 234 posts dealing with such things as Christ's discourse in Matthew 24.
So you tell me now you don't think too much about what Jesus said or the impact of His predictions and teachings?
If His impact is roughly less than, or certainly not more than the impact of Julius Caesar or Alexander the Great can you show me where you voiced as much concern for their influence on things you feel need discussion?
Jesus said "Heaven and earth will pass away, by My words shall not pass away." . Two millennia has arguably given us reason to wonder why His words and life are so endurable.
Is there anything as momentous, as significant from the mouths of Alexander the Great or Julius Caesar ?
So you yawn and ho hum the warnings of Christ? Well, I don't. I consider His teaching that every idle word I speak or write I will one day accunt to God for. And my words will be the cause of my justification or my condemnation.
"And I say to you that every idle word which men shall speak, they will render an account concerning it in the day of judgment.
For by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned. " (Matt. 12:36,37)
In two minutes can you by comparison indicate more significant words attributed to Alexander or Julius Caesar ?
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jaywill
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Posts: 4519
From: VA USA
Joined: 12-05-2005


Message 1337 of 1748 (839544)
09-10-2018 8:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1300 by Faith
09-08-2018 1:32 PM


Re: Christ - the main character
quote:
I don't remember that coming up but clearly it does refer to the Lord's ascension to the throne of God and not His descent to earth.
Faith,
Revelation chapter 5 shows the scene in heaven at Christ's ascension. Christ is the God-man who is now the preeminent Head of all the universe. There is a Man at the peak of authority of all creation.
John serves a similar purpose as Daniel did during the Babylonian Captivity. He fasted and prayed that God would reveal what would be the future of Israel and the world. God answered his petitions and gave him such clear prophecy.
John, similarly, was the last surviving of the original apostles and was deeply concerned for the future of the church. He wept when no one in heaven or earth could open the sealed scroll in the hands of God.
Then One was found qualified to know the contents of the scroll sealed with seven seals - the Lion - Lamb Christ. No philosopher, sage, wise person in all the world could open the secret of God's administration over the universe. But Christ was qualified.
And I saw on the right hand of Him who sits upon the throne a scroll written within and on the back, sealed up with seven seals.
And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to upen the scroll and to break its seals?
And no one in heaven nor on earth nor under the earth was able to open the scroll or look into it.
And I wept much because no one was found worthy to open the scroll or look into it. (Rev. 5:1-3)
No one had the qualification, wisdom, authority or ability to understand the meaning of God's eternal purpose. No matter how wise they were no one was found dead or alive. But Jesus Christ is the one exception. He prevailed to be worthy to know and the meaning of the plan of God the Creator.
And one of the elders said to me, Do not weep, behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has overcome so that He may open the scroll and its seven seals.
The elder here is not one of the elders of Israel. Nor is he one of the elders of the Christian church. Rather he is one of the twenty four elders which represent the elders of the universe - the oldest angelic creatures of the universe.
The elder of creation points John to Christ the Lion of the tribe of Judah. He is a fierce fighter for God's interests as ferocious lion against the Devil. He is the Root of King David.
Yet it is so interesting that when John turned to look he saw a Lamb. The elder said the Lion has prevailed and John looked and saw a Lamb.
And I saw in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures and in the midst of the elders a Lamb standing as having just been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God. sent forth into all the earth. (vs. 6)
The Lamb stands for the Redeemer. Christ died to redeem man from the curse of the law of God before which all people are guilty. He is that Lamb of God which takes away the sin of the world.
Toward God's enemies He is a Lion. Toward God's redeemed He is the Lamb. He is the Lion / Lamb. He is the Fighting Warrior and the Redeemer freshly slain and resurrected.
His standing after being freshly slain means His death and resurrection. What a Man. Toward us sinners He is our crucified and risen Redeemer. Toward God's enemies Christ is the devouring Lion the fighting King of the kingly tribe of Judah.
He will prevail for Israel and for the church against enemies within and without.
What follows in the whole of Revelation are what comes out of the opened scroll which Christ unlocks and reveals.
There is something more about the seven eyes which I'll speak to in another post.
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jaywill
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Posts: 4519
From: VA USA
Joined: 12-05-2005


Message 1338 of 1748 (839546)
09-10-2018 8:26 AM
Reply to: Message 1336 by jar
09-10-2018 6:54 AM


Re: Back to the End Times
quote:
Yet another of your posts demonstrating your utter ignorance of reality.
Your post told me NOTHING that I didn't already know (except maybe the term Lunokhod ).
I know about the lasers and the reflectors. I was around 19 when I saw the first TV shots of a moon walk. Were you alive then ?
And lasers are used to bounce off of the moon without reflectors too.
I have some doubts.
And I am still weighing the pros and cons because I could be wrong.
I don't think you watched the lecture.
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jaywill
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Posts: 4519
From: VA USA
Joined: 12-05-2005


Message 1340 of 1748 (839576)
09-10-2018 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1339 by jar
09-10-2018 9:08 AM


Re: Back to the End Times
You cannot be trusted at all.
There was enough anomalies and inconsistencies about photographers to keep professional movie makers and photographers searching for explanations.
And the discussion on the Van Allen Radiation Belts was not snake oil talk.
The Russians said they'll go to the moon once they solve that problem.
What? It was supposed to have been solved.
After Lindberg crossed the Atlantic for decades jets and jumbo jets made the trip. Decades after a trips to the moon ... nothing in the way of returning.
And the US lost the technology NASA tells us.
The US technology being "lost" ?
Maybe that's your snake oil from NASA.
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jaywill
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Posts: 4519
From: VA USA
Joined: 12-05-2005


Message 1343 of 1748 (839579)
09-10-2018 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1339 by jar
09-10-2018 9:08 AM


Re: Back to the End Times
Jar,
Can you answer these questions if you watched the lecture?
Which modern day US president doubted that the moon walk pictures were authentic ?
How many years has the speaker been working on this problem of the authenticity of the moon landings ?
How many Russian astronauts probably went into space before Uri Gigaran (the "first" man in space) ? How many did the researcher count ?
What happened to the Russian astronaut who traveled to space before Gigaran ?
The whistle blower astronaut who died in an accident, what was his name ?
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jaywill
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From: VA USA
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Message 1347 of 1748 (839644)
09-11-2018 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1339 by jar
09-10-2018 9:08 AM


Re: Back to the End Times
quote:
I did not watch the silly video and do not watch silly videos.
So you gave a lying impression at first that you saw it.
quote:
There was no lecture, there was only a carny midway snake oil sales pitch
You have now confirmed that YOU "snake oiled" YOUR false impression about yourself and the level of familiarity with the LECTURE.
It would have been easier to just admit up front that you didn't watch it.
It also would have been more to your integrity.
Not much of a surprise.
Padlock your head. I don't care.
I could be wrong about it.
It is obvious that to even some who vote YES that some of the footage is
staged.
I keep abreast of both side of the debate.
Its not as important as eternal salvation.
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