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Message 99 of 1677 (839476)
09-08-2018 5:59 PM
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09-08-2018 5:40 PM


Never had marmite as a spread. Must be a Brit thing.
ABE: Just looked it up. Yes I remember that stuff, there was a sort of health fad for it here, back in the seventies or so as I recall. Not as a spread though, something you mixed into soups and so on. Never caught on with me.
ABE: I don't actually remember the health idea, though that's a lot of what's on Google about it because of its high B vitamin content, but what I actually remember is the idea it would be a good flavor enhancer for soups and meat dishes, and in my opinion it wasn't.
I don't think I want to know whatever the joke is supposed to be about what I'm planning to eat though.
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Message 100 of 1677 (839477)
09-08-2018 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Phat
09-08-2018 4:24 PM


Re: Wordification
Interesting. I never paid much attention to that distinction in his books, more interested just in the way he lays out the different concepts rather than why he divides them as he does. So in this book the various writers are tackling some of the major philosophical positions of our day, such as environmentalism which is where the reading left off last week.
If anyone cares, I can't think of Peter Jones without remembering that he was John Lennon's best friend up to about the age of thirteen or fourteen. Then Lennon went oneist into "Imagine" and Jones went Christian, or more seriously Christian perhaps since as I recall his family was Christian.
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Message 102 of 1677 (839486)
09-09-2018 3:48 AM
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09-09-2018 3:39 AM


Re: Wordification and admittedly making it up as I go along
I don't grasp all of its implications but the primary distinction seems to be that oneism regards the Creation as basically all that is or ever was (which is a garbled version of a quote of Carl Sagan), so that human inclinations to worship are directed at the Creation itself; while twoism is the view that Creator and Creation are separate and worship is directed to the Creator alone. As you quote Jones pointing out, Romans 1:25 is the source of this distinction as he sees it.
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Message 103 of 1677 (839490)
09-09-2018 4:12 AM


Another couple of portents
I must admit I'm discouraged about the possibility of the Rapture now, downright depressed about it at times. There are now about seven hours to sunset Israel time which is the start of Rosh Hashanah, and I still intend to have my coffee (I'm out of bread so no toast) some time before that, still hoping.
But I need to report two more "portents." One from a couple days ago was that I happened to turn on the radio (I hardly ever pay attention to the time or even know when certain programs are on unless it's something I've been avidly following, which is sometimes the case but not on this occasion: I sat down in my recliner and turned on the radio and it was the Bible reading program and it took me a flustered moment or two to recognize that I had turned it on right AFTER the verse that commands the convocation of trumpet blowing for the Jewish Seventh Month or New Year:
Numbers 29:1 writes:
And in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work: it is a day of blowing the trumpets unto you.
I recognized the verses following that one, the long lists of sacrifices to be performed over the ten days between Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur, and I THINK I'd turned it on exactly at Numbers 29:2, but I can't be entirely sure of that because I was scrambling to recognize what was being read, but it was at least very shortly after verse 1. It was a very discouraging portent because it seems to be about MISSING the Rapture, or there not being a Rapture at all since the Rapture was left out and only the following days were there. This was a very depressing portent for me. EXACTLY missing the verse about the Rapture, exactly precisely missing it.
But then yesterday another portent of sorts: Windows 10's desktop picture of the day, which is usually some scenic nature shot, was an aerial shot of what looks like farmland somewhere, not very high overhead, just high enough to suggest flying low over the land.
So who knows. In six or seven hours I still plan to get some coffee and either go out on the balcony or sit by a window until Israel sunset time is past, and if nothing has happened within an hour or so of that I'll do the same again for my own sunset time and even midnight of Sept 10 to cover all bases.
I know this is all very weird anyway because this is my own private Rapture vigil and I have no idea if anybody else is doing something similar. Why would God give me my own portents? I don't know but He does talk to us individually and maybe it's just that I've been thinking a lot oabout it. I know there are others who have in mind that this Rosh Hashanah COULD be the day of the Rapture, but I'm not in touch with them.
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Message 104 of 1677 (839491)
09-09-2018 4:43 AM
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09-09-2018 4:12 AM


I'm not alone
OH good, I'm certainly not the only one. Just googled the right combo of words and got a whole page about others looking to this Rosh Hashanah. So we'll either all be gone together or all disappointed together.
ABE: WOW, there's a LOT of buzz about it. Some think September 11 is the right date. But I saw SEPT 10 in my mind's eye so that's what I'm going with.
Part of the focus on this Rosh Hashanah is the fact that 2018 is the seventieth anniversary of the year Israel became a nation, and of course all seventies, and sevens in general, are important in scripture.
So I'll be aware of having lots of company on my vigil now, while I sip my coffee.
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Message 106 of 1677 (839493)
09-09-2018 5:18 AM
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09-09-2018 5:12 AM


Re: I'm not alone
No need for a toothbrush or any other flesh supports because we'll all be changed into some new form. Are you familiar with Handel's Messiah? It's all scripture and near the end are the verses about how we'll all be changed into an incorruptible form. I sometimes remember scripture more from that glorious piece of music than the Bible itself.
Oh, can't resist:
If there is a Rapture, listen to this and consider how nothing about Christianity is reduceable to some trivial child's tales, it's the very epitome of the heights of high civilization.
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Message 108 of 1677 (839496)
09-09-2018 7:29 AM


video on Rapture timing
So now I'm checking out some of the others who are waiting for the Rapture. Listening to a guy who's really into the numbers of it all. He's counted the days from May 14th which is the anniversary of Israel's becoming a state, to September 11, which come to 120, which he then explains to be a very prophetic number. One of the biblical references he gives is to 120 years God gave for people to repent before the Flood came. If the "ark" leaves on September 10 then September 11 is the beginning of the Tribulation period of seven years, which of course symbolically echoes the Flood.
That's my own thought though. The man who is doing this video gets far deeper into the meaning of numbers and dates and other symbols than I can follow.
But jaywill may be interested to know that he considers the Manchild to refer to the Rapture of the Church. Check it out about 17 something on the counter.
And PaulK may be interested in his references to Hebrew Gematria which he's talking about all along, started some time before the above, sorry didn't note the counter number.
Here's another one from this same man a month later adding more of the same kind of calculations.
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Message 110 of 1677 (839499)
09-09-2018 8:54 AM
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09-09-2018 8:11 AM


Staying or Going is not really a hard choice
I feel like I need to spend at least a year in heavy prayer and repentance and worship and service before I'll be ready to meet the LORD. On the other hand I don't think I could stand another year here. But if the Rapture is coming now the thought of missing it has my stomach in knots, so I'm praying hard that the LORD will take me. There's no way anyone could actually desire to stick around for the seven years of Tribulation that are to follow, though many will be saved in it nevertheless, but an extraordinary courage will be needed.
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Message 116 of 1677 (839524)
09-09-2018 7:50 PM


Timing problems
I went out on the balcony this morning about fifteen minutes before Israel's sunset time, about 8:50AM here. Waited half an hour. It was cold out there. I realized there's no advantage to being on the balcony anyway because there's a roof overhead and a big tree on one side, so I might as well be inside.
So I looked up what time they blow the shofar for Rosh Hashanah and found out it isn't at sunset, it's during the day, and can be many times over both days. Assuming the shofar blast is the call to the Rapture that makes predicting the time just about impossible. I tried to find a schedule for it in Israel but didn't succeed yet. Did find one for the local synagogue which lists only 11:30 AM tomorrow the 10th. So I can have that in mind but I think Israel time is more likely.
I need to sleep more. I'd rather stay awake but I can't. If they only blow it during the daytime I'll risk sleeping during their night hours, starting now.
So I guessed wrong about sunset in Israel, but there's still a whole day to go, maybe two except I'm still holding onto the 10th
It's now 4:50PM here, 2:50AM the tenth there.
another video Toward the end he says he's a geologist. I wonder how he puts together the age of the earth issues.
He is one of those who doesn't recognize that the Pope is the Antichrist who has already been revealed, and the Great Apostasy is the Roman Catholic Church itself plus all the other churches that have been joining with it in recent times.
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Message 119 of 1677 (839539)
09-10-2018 6:44 AM
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09-10-2018 2:40 AM


Still ten hours left of September 10 in Israel.

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Message 124 of 1677 (839564)
09-10-2018 1:54 PM
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09-10-2018 12:51 PM


It's 8:40 PM in Israel now, still the 10th, but past any time I would have expected the Rapture to occur. I can't really say it's completely over until Rosh Hashanah is completely over, which won't be until midnight at the end of the 11th in Israel, but the 10th has been the most likely day, so it "feels" over.
It's very disappointing because I've had so many signs that it would be very soon, and just yesterday I started paying attention to this one guy who showed calculations of phenomena that aren't going to occur again, such as the seventieth anniversary of Israel's statehood. Rosh Hashanah (otherwise known as Yom Teruah) is the most likely time because it's always on the "High Holy Days" that major events in God's plan have occurred and this is the next one in line. I'm not really sure how they come up with seven holy days, I'm only aware of Passover and Pentecost having been fulfilled, but five or seven, Rosh Hashanah is next in line, followed by Yom Kippur and the Feast of Tabernacles.
Well, just to be exact the tenth won't be completely over until midnight Israel time which is about three hours from now, and the most far-out possibility still is midnight tomorrow night the 11th.
ABE: And thank you, caffeine, for pointing out that I never said it was definitely going to occur now, I've always said it might not, and so has everybody else I've run across. People make calculations, we get signs and feelings, I saw where a couple kids had dreams about it and that sort of thing, but there is no way to know for sure.
ABE: It WILL happen eventually of course because it's a prophecy, it has to happen some time. At least we can say we are watching, which is what we're commanded to do.
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Message 132 of 1677 (839588)
09-10-2018 5:37 PM
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09-10-2018 5:18 PM


Last I heard China has thirty something million Christians, could even be 67 million. Of course that is a drop in the bucket of their population but it's a substantial number nevertheless. And South Korea has a single church that has a million members. I don't know how many Christians there are in Vietnam but the autobiography, "Fire Road" by Kim Fook, who is a Christian, was the last book read on my Christian radio station. She was the little girl who was famously photographed running naked in the street after being burned by napalm in 1972. I didn't hear the early part of the reading about her conversion but I think it was a Vietnamese man who converted her.
So there are quite a few Christians in Asia.

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Message 133 of 1677 (839589)
09-10-2018 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Coragyps
09-10-2018 5:15 PM


Yes, September 10th has come and gone in Israel.

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Message 136 of 1677 (839593)
09-10-2018 5:49 PM
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09-10-2018 5:46 PM


At a minimum those who would be raptured would be born again. I don't think many Catholics claim that, and since their doctrine anathematizes the Protestant understanding of salvation, Faith alone in Christ alone, I don't think many of them stand much of a chance. Nevertheless there have to be Catholics for whom Jesus is all, and that may be enough to save them. But yes, sadly, there are not likely to be many Catholics raptured. Martin Luther condemned the papacy as the greatest murderer of Christians because they keep the true way of salvation from them.
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Message 138 of 1677 (839597)
09-10-2018 7:53 PM
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09-10-2018 7:22 PM


It would be based on salvation by faith in Christ.

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