Christianity and the End Times

I know about the mirrors.
The mirrors are a good argument.I know about the rocks.
But earth rocks were sent to some dignitaries under the guise of being Moon rocks. The country's scientists checked them OUT. They were SAID to be from the Moon. But they were judged as NOT.If there were real Moon rocks brought back giving away phony ones doesn't HELP the credibility of those who insist they walked on the moon.A few other things DON'T HELP.
And an X military person told me that there is a many decades commitment to classified silence about some matters which are considered of a national security issue.This X military person believes we did go to the moon. But he also believes that when this period of classified secrecy ends more of the true story will be unclassified.I know about rigolith.
I know about the Chinese moon landings.I know about explanations of there being no stars in the backround.
I know of many good explanations like the reflecting mirrors.Sounds in the vacuum of space in one of the Moon Walks made NO SENSE.
The sound of tools landing on surfaces after having been TOSSED ... should not BE. Looks like somebody SLIPPED UP.That was the SOUND of tools being tossed around.
And the sound COULD NOT come through the air inside the space suits.There is NO AIR to carry sound waves outside of the space suits.Sometimes I think reflections of light can be seen on the cables holding up the astronauts.Sending TV signals from Moon to Earth on as much voltage that they had for transmission has serious questions. That's hundreds of thousands of miles from the Moon to the earth, not fifty or seventy miles. The batteries and transmission equipment was not that powerful some say.I also know that some have said it would have been impossible in 1969 to pull off the slow motion videos with the available technology of that time.I don't trust anyone who thinks this is a slam dunk matter either way.I don't trust that it is an obvious closed case that we passed through the Van Allen Belts without loss of life.To this day the problem of the intense radiation of the Van Allen Belts is an unsolved problem to NASA.But you don't listen to those who say NASA seems to stand for Never A Straight Answer. I also know Neil Armstrong became a reclues and did few interviews.
I also know he said some cryptic things about they were just parrots trained to repeat some things and not fly.
And he spoke of "protective covering of truth".So we are not being told everything.
At present i think they had a Plan B in case of failure to STAGE a landing.So I just don't know. I don't trust anyone who is SO SURE that he has no remaining questions.The truth may be a mixture somewhere in the middle.As for you not wasting your time talking to me. FINE !!
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Explain SOUNDS in the Vacuum of space on the moon.
And I do not mean just the hammering.Explain the helmet microphone picking up the SOUND of a tossed piece of equipment landing where there was no air.If you're too scared to watch the whole thing, start your viewing at around 42:40.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KsH2M4m4zMEdited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Scold you?
I agree with you. I need to get back to the subject.Moving on. dropping the distraction.

One more reply to myself on the video link lecture.

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Can you answer these questions if you watched the lecture?

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Which modern day US president doubted that the moon walk pictures were authentic ?

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William Jefferson Clinton

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How many years has the speaker been working on this problem of the authenticity of the moon landings ?

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Twenty five years.

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How many Russian astronauts probably went into space before Uri Gigaran (the "first" man in space) ? How many did the researcher count ?

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About TEN. Many must have died. The Russians finally wrote it.

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What happened to the Russian astronaut who traveled to space before Gigaran ?

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It is believed he landed in China badly injured.Before Yuri Gagarin.

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The whistle blower astronaut who died in an accident, what was his name ?

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Gus Crissom (slated to be the first on the moon) Put a lemon on the space craft to protest that the project was not safe and was flimsy. After his death no astronaut dared ever criticize the Space Program.His son believed foul play was involved in the accident that killed him and two other astronauts.We don't know the whole story. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

The difference between me and you is that I admit that I could be deceived. You think you could never be deceived.I mentioned that I could be wrong. I mentioned also that the reflectors against which we are being told lasers are bouncing, is a good argument for that piece of equipment being there somehow.(Yet the only thing they say tells me it came back is a beep on a computer and a spike seen on a graph).You can't answer a simple question about the "fantasy" of hearing tools clank in a space vacuum. The sounds are not heard on the ISS. Your not watching the video I count as probably cowardice to have your conceptions challenged.You can act uppity and condescending. But if answering the problem is beneath you I'm not impressed. The evidence looks to some like the footage is staged in an expensive government studio.SOUNDS in outer space?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnJ3EDfdvhMWe don't hear drills or hammers in the footage of the International Space Station. Why on Apollo 16 moon work but not in astronauts working on the ISS?And this has nothing to do with my Christian faith.
I doubt that many who are doubtful of moon landing footage are all held together because of biblical faith.I'm not antiscience nor anti-real history.I just want to know the truth.
A Cold War propaganda effort to avoid war with the Soviets is a plausible
rationale for staging a high tech victory over US enemies.I saw it as a kid and felt just as proud as any other American, and comforted too. Latter I questioned what I saw and what I revisit to see again and again.At present I believe that if we did go to the moon we also produced some footage as a PLAN B in case it failed. US is not like Russia. We're not about to show people dying on the surface of the moon to American tax payers and to the world at large. So I don't apologize for some skepticism.You function by bigotry and prejudice. So YOU need to make it to be a Bible believing issue. And I have already cautioned readers that I could be incorrect about the moon walks.Now, since you're so smart, just explain sounds of tools clanking and being thrown around in the footage of Apollo (I think it was 16).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5O43FkzYZcEdited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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Only fools and con men question the fact mankind went to the moon.

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Shhhhhhhh! Now don't say anything about the sounds recorded on the moon. Maybe they'll just forget about it. (Apollo 12, 15)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnJ3EDfdvhMEdited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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Okay, so then why did you bring it up on a thread entitled "Christianity and the End Times?"

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I brought it up, rightly or wrongly, because I was MOCKED. Someone selected a few choice favorites from the Bible and paraded them as usual saying basically, "You believe this stuff, you naive fool."So, I responded by mentioning a few things which his and my generation believe which are by no means case closed forgone conclusions.One of the things I mentioned in reaction to his mocking list was ... "And you believe Neil Armstrong walked on the moon."That's how this got started.Now, that having been said I did give attention to one of his listed matters - the talking serpent of Genesis, which I find quite wise of God to allow things to happen in this way so as to communicate to generations of people - An exceedingly intelligent being exists in the universe which is adversarial to the Creator God. That is a created being which of its own accord, went awry and established himself a nemesis to God - His opposite in every way. Important details are filled in latter in the Bible.This is profound truth. And I think a speaking serpent was God's initial way of communicating this revelation to mankind in such a way that the most people could readily grasp it. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

And the explanation for the recorded sounds - Apollo 12,16 - ( which are not typically present in the ISS astronaut's activity ) is found WHERE in this reply ?Nice broad generalizing strokes there for your blanket dismissal.
But I didn't notice your addressing the specific problem.

And your specific solution for the problem of the recorded sounds which are NOT typically present on the ISS is ___________________________ ?

And your specific solution for the problem of recorded sounds on the moon walks in Apollo (which sounds are not present in videos of tool usage on the ISS) is _________________________ ?

And aside from this generalize dismissal YOUR explanation for the recorded sounds on the two Apollo Moon walks ....IS ________________ ? Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

The microphones in the space suits don't seem to pick up tool usage by astronauts on the ISS.So your explanation for the recorded SOUNDS on the Apollo moon walks is that __________________ ??? Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Ironically, you seem to be the only poster attempting to deal with the problem.Thanks for trying.
Of course the problem remains that on the ISS we hear nothing.
The circumstances should be exactly the same - space vacuum.Remember - I said that I don't think we are being told everything.Feel free to renew some matter about the second coming of Christ with me, for the thread.I will continue to spot check among all the calm voices of reason and logic here WHY sounds were heard on the Moon .

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What I said was, "Sometimes it's hard to tell the con-men from the rubes. The con-man's greatest asset is the rube who truly believes." I was referring to your stance on the "end times".

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You can be either the con-man or the rube.

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Probably, I don't get all of this. "rube" ?What is it that you think you have that I would possibly want to "con" you out of?Do you think I want your money ?
Is it allegiance to me personally, I want to "con" from you ?
Or is it that I want to "con" people into loving the Lord Jesus Christ?What do you have that you think I want to CON from you ?? Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

When the Son of God appeared on earth the first time, it was to sow Himself into some people. That is to dispense His divine life into their life for a combiningand union of the divine with the human.This life produces a new humanity. This new humanity is meant to grow, develop, mature, and ultimately to reign - regaining all that was lost in Adam's fall yet going on BEYOND that fall as well.When Jesus came the first time its was to SOW Himself into man that God and man might be mingled. This life is supernatural and must be cultivated and grow in men and women in the proper environment. Throughout the ages God has been doing precisely that with some who cooperate with His indwelling, implanted life.When a critical mass of such cooperative saved people is reached Christ will come back physically to earth to assign them to regain what was lost on the fall of Adam, They will reign as God-men with Christ.Christ is not coming back because men increase in knowledge.
Christ is coming for the growth of this spiritual life in people.It is not the bulk increase knowledge which is prompting the coming of Christ.
And that includes Bible knowledge or science knowledge of church history knowledge or knowledge of doctrine or creeds.What is wooing Christ back is primarily a growing love to life by Him and unto Him. Some have died growing into this maturity. Some will be alive at the time of His return having grown in this union with Him.