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jar
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Message 106 of 111 (839542)
09-10-2018 7:41 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Faith
09-10-2018 7:22 AM


Re: The Great Rescue
Faith writes:

Witness evidence is the only possible evidence for this sort of phenomena and there is lots of it. If you discount it as you do then of course you have no evidence at all, but you're just fooling yourself in that case.

That does not change the fact that witness evidence is still about the weakest possible evidence subject to the greatest amount of error.

But a bigger issue is included in your assertion itself when you say "Witness evidence is the only possible evidence for this sort of phenomena ...". Why is witness evidence the only possible evidence and if true, why does that not set off alarm bells and warnings that say "Wait, discount this evidence"?

In looking at everything else in reality it is possible to find evidence other than witness evidence so what makes you think that something that can only be detected by witness evidence actually exists?


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Message 107 of 111 (839543)
09-10-2018 7:49 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by jar
09-10-2018 7:41 AM


Re: The Great Rescue
How are you going to have any other kind of evidence for spiritual or supernatural phenomena than witness evidence?
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jar
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Message 108 of 111 (839545)
09-10-2018 8:12 AM
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09-10-2018 7:49 AM


Re: The Great Rescue
Faith writes:

How are you going to have any other kind of evidence for spiritual or supernatural phenomena than witness evidence?

I don't know of anyway including witness testimony that there could be evidence for spiritual or supernatural phenomena. You are the one claiming witness testimony is evidence.

And as I have said witness testimony is the least reliable most error prone possible evidence. If you wish to use such pitiful evidence then you must show how it can be of value or relevance. For example how can evidence supporting some Christian God be any more relevant or valuable than the evidence for the Hindu or animist or Greek or Norse Gods? How is anything you post better evidence than "There is no God but Allah and Mohammad is His Prophet"?


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Message 109 of 111 (839550)
09-10-2018 12:04 PM
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09-10-2018 7:22 AM


Re: The Great Rescue
Faith writes:

Witness evidence is the only possible evidence for this sort of phenomena and there is lots of it.


A large amount of bad data doesn't add up to good evidence.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 110 of 111 (839692)
09-13-2018 9:33 AM
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09-10-2018 12:04 PM


Re: The Great Rescue
At best we can be eternally skeptical of any and all witness evidence.

What makes us think that all of it is invalid, however? I am myself a witness to unknown phenomena. Granted I labeled it as supernatural due in part to confirmation bias, but there is no reason for me to become an activist at debunking all witness testimony.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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ringo
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Message 111 of 111 (839739)
09-14-2018 12:02 PM
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09-13-2018 9:33 AM


Re: The Great Rescue
Phat writes:

I am myself a witness to unknown phenomena.


Me too.

Phat writes:

Granted I labeled it as supernatural...


You contradict yourself. If you're labelling it a supernatural, you're not labelling it as unknown. You're trying to reassure yourself that you do know.

Phat writes:

... there is no reason for me to become an activist at debunking all witness testimony.


Isn't the pursuit of truth reason enough?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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