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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That's what you call "Spiritual War"?
I believe in Spiritual War. I see it here at EvC all of the time.Like when jar gets angry and calls *bullshit* and accuses his opponents of palming some pea and misdirecting a topic, I see him as angry that they wont fall in line and follow his ideology based as he claims simply on plain reading. Phat writes:
You don't think the truth is worthwhile? ... what possible good would it or has it ever done to teach people that the allegorical snake told the truth and that the god character lied?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Did you read my post? I was referring to the talking snake - that it told the truth. It is true that the snake told the truth.
what truth are YOU referring to? Phat writes:
Did you read my post? I have never said that. Just a few days ago I said that I don't promise anything but blood, sweat, toils and tears. The straight-and-narrow isn't guaranteed to be easy.
That society will enter into a golden age if we simply give to each according to our ability and receive according to our needs? Phat writes:
Did you read my post? I didn't say any such thing - but of course they have always been outdated and unnecessary.
That God and religion are outdated and unnecessary? Phat writes:
Did you read my post? I didn't say anything about any message or messenger. Of course, if you have the message, you don't need the envelope any more.
That the message is that we can do it without Him? Phat writes:
See how much you read into everything I say? Why don't you just read what I write? Why don't you just read what the Bible says? The snake is an effective preacher! The snake is just a snake. In fact, the snake in Genesis 3 isn't even a snake. He just represents what Eve was thinking.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I wouldn't choose to go but if I did go I'd give the Creator a slap and ask Him what the hell is wrong with Him. Killing millions of humans with a flood? Torturing millions of humans with hellfire? Worst psychotic mass-murderer in history. ...if A Creator were wanting to take some people off of this planet and leave others. which group would you want to be with and why?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Percy writes:
In four hours when you realize you're still here, that everyone's still here, will you: Go silent on EvC and your blog so that everyone thinks you've been raptured. Assert that the rapture happened but allege a massive coverup.Explain that the calculations were off and that the rapture will occur at some future date.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Or you could just blame everything on the Jews. My "badness" consists almost entirely of running afoul of Political Correctness....And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
By the way, I was gone for three days and nobody thought I was raptured?
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Again it comes down to what it really means to "believe in Him". Should He protect those who only parrot, "Lord!Lord!" or should He protect those who embrace His message? IF this is true, do you believe that it is fair for Jesus to only protect those who believe in Him or do you believe that we all should be judged by our works and behavior? He has already answered that question - but if you reject His message, you'll miss the answer.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Isn't it? It tells you what you must do to be a sheep, not a goat. What better summation is there? Matthew 25 is not the whole summation of the Bible.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
On the contrary, it says that Jesus will come when you're NOT expecting Him:
The closer we get to the possible fulfilment of a prophecy the more likely it is we will be getting some signs that it is near, and Jesus himself told us to be aware of those signs when he gave us the parable of the fig tree in Matthew 24.quote:The point is to always be ready, to always have your doors locked because you don't know when the thief is coming. And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
It's a get-out-of-tribulation-free card. Why should it matter to me whether there is a rapture? Or a rapture that occurs before a tribulation period or only when Jesus returns? It's the same purpose as your faith-only stance - you get a free pass without actually doing anything but an empty profession of faith. And of course, neither faith-only nor the rapture are supported by the Bible.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
The bit about "man's pride" is nonsense, as I have told you many, many, many, many times before. There's nothing prideful about getting your hands dirty and helping people. The rest of the article supports the idea that salvation is by faith alone through Christ alone. And as I've also told you many, many, many, many times before, you're misunderstanding what faith means. It isn't just mouthing, "Lord! Lord!" It isn't sending away the policeman, the boat and the helicopter while you wait for God to save you. It's DOING what the messenger told you to DO. It's building your own ark. It's getting on the f**king helicopter. If you don't pay any attention to the message, you don't have any real faith in the messenger. Will you ever understand that?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That's my point. DON'T believe me. Don't believe the messenger either. Don't believe ANY messenger. Evaluate the message. How can I believe you when you doubt that the messenger even exists?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Think about what you're saying. The letter and the envelope are equally important? Im just telling you that messenger and message are equally important...And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
But the message exists with or without Jesus or God. Paul said himself that the Gentiles had the message. The disciple cant very well be spreading the message if Jesus and God never existed.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
When you get an Amber Alert, does it matter who sent the message? Another way to look at it is that the letter and the author of the letter are equally important.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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