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Coragyps
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Message 211 of 296 (839748)
09-14-2018 3:03 PM
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09-14-2018 1:57 PM


Re: Salvation By Grace Through Faith Leads To Works
Pig ignorant ugly and evil West Texas? How could you say that about lovely Big Spring???

Oh, you lived there, thats how.

Socorro is always a delight to me, too. Congrats!


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Message 212 of 296 (839751)
09-14-2018 3:23 PM
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09-14-2018 2:25 PM


Re: We Can Work It Out?
Matthew 25 is not the whole summation of the Bible.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Message 213 of 296 (839752)
09-14-2018 3:38 PM
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Re: We Can Work It Out?
Phat writes:

Matthew 25 is not the whole summation of the Bible.


Isn't it? It tells you what you must do to be a sheep, not a goat. What better summation is there?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 214 of 296 (839754)
09-14-2018 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by Faith
09-14-2018 2:21 AM


Let's not forget where this sub-discussion started. You thought you had evidence that the rapture was imminent, and that you would be one of the chosen because you believed all the right things. But you were wrong. The rapture wasn't imminent (which should have caused you to examine your beliefs but didn't), and it is goodness that should be rewarded, not belief.

In response you have argued that you never insisted your prediction was correct, which raises the question why make it, and that you have too exhibited enough goodness to be rewarded with salvation, despite not believing that that makes any difference.

Faith writes:

So I was wrong? You're actually for immigration, for LGBT rights, for affordable health care for everyone, for racial equality, and for diversity? However did I pick up such misimpressions?

Because you've bought into Political correctness.

Political correctness is just your grabbag label for anything you don't like. It's lost any meaning it ever had in your case. There are standards of decency that measure our humanity, compassion and empathy. Let's examine your arguments that you've exhibited human decency.

Yes I'm for reasonable standards of legal immigration that enhance rather than destroy our western civilization. If people want to come here and assimilate, and love our Constitution and our culture, they ought to be welcome.

You mean you only want immigrants who are interested in a path to citizenship and have an uncritical (blind, even) perception of our country. There are over twelve million green card holders in the US, and less than half ever become citizens. Of the rest probably some assimilate and some don't, some learn English and some don't, some only want to work here, some only want to live here. The US offers the naturalization test to people over 50 in foreign languages. For non-citizens my state offers the written driver's test in English, Spanish and French. California offers the drivers test in over thirty languages. Can I assume immigrants who don't speak English and/or who have no interest in assimilating don't fit your criteria, and that you want them out of the country?

I'm for LGBT rights that don't force the rest of us to treat their unnatural behaviors as normal.

The simple fact that you judge LGBT sexual orientation unnatural and sufficient grounds for denying them rights says it all.

It's a pretty safe bet that LGBT people are only doing what comes naturally to them, just as the rest of us have done what comes naturally to us. Almost all people are sexual creatures, and as they reach puberty they become attracted sexually to one sex or another, or even both. Which sex(es) they're attracted to isn't something anyone makes a conscious decision about - it just happens.

They should be protected from harm, but not allowed to force their way of life on the rest of us.

You're just weasel-wording your actual attitude, which is that it is okay to deny LGBT people rights everyone else has.

A big problem with "affordable health care" is that it isn't affordable.

Really? And how much did your taxes rise after the ACA took effect? How much did the deficit increase due to the ACA? (The answer is not at all.)

This is from What tax changes did the Affordable Care Act make?

quote:
The Affordable Care Act (ACA) made several changes to the tax code intended to increase health insurance coverage, reduce health care costs, and finance health care reform. On net these taxes and credits are projected to reduce the deficit by $46 billion in 2020. Taken together, they increase the average tax burden significantly for families in the top one percent of the income distribution but benefit families in the bottom income quintiles by providing new credits that on average exceed new taxes for those families. Combined with the ACAs Medicaid expansion, the coverage-related taxes are projected to reduce the number of uninsured by 23 million in 2020.

The worst part of the ACA was the penalty for not having health insurance. 6.7 million people paid the penalty in 2015. If the average penalty was $2000 (an overestimate) then the total in penalties paid to the government was about $13 billion, a drop in the bucket for the deficit. But Congress couldn't reach agreement about having the government absorb this cost, and so the cost was passed on to the taxpayer in the form of penalties.

Trump has since rescinded the penalty, which is good, but he failed to put in place any compensatory policy, which is bad because it throws the insurance pool into a deficit forcing premiums to rise. It also unbalances the pool of people toward those less healthy, increasing medical costs and putting more upward pressure on premiums. In other words, as originally constructed the ACA paid for itself. Trump's ongoing piece-by-piece dismantling is making it less and less viable.

I'm absolutely unequivocally for racial equality. Sheesh.

I think "diversity" is just a PC term that obscures the Leftist Agenda of destroying Christian culture.

How can you be for racial equality but against diversity? How can you claim you believe the races are equal if you also believe that allowing non-white non-Christians into your community is a threat to your culture because it would cause blacks, Asians, Arabs, American Indians, etc., to become your neighbors, and also cause a host of Shinto, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Jewish and charismatic temples or churches to appear in town. My God, they might even attend the annual town picnic!

I'm against illegal uncontrolled immigration,...

Who isn't. So immigration of Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, pagans, atheists and LGBT's is fine by you?

I'm for accepting all who appreciate our western values and are willing to assimilate and adopt them, which is what happened with earlier generations of immigrants.

Degree of assimilation of past immigrant waves varied for that first generation, ranging from complete to none at all. Assimilation mostly occurred with the children of that first generation. The DACA children are an excellent example, brought to this country while young and now completely assimilated.

But assimilated does not mean indoctrinated. Assimilation doesn't mean they begin sitting down to meals of meatloaf and mashed potatoes, play softball, and watch the NFL on Sundays. It doesn't mean they view American mores and government uncritically, any more than natural Americans do.

But that very concept is denied in our postmodern leftist world. It is pernicious naivete to think that all cultures are equal and especially all ideologies, since there are totalitarian ideologies such as Islam that seek to overthrow every religious and political system but Islam.

Now you're just emphasizing what you said earlier, that you're against diversity, and especially against any diversity that includes Islam.

...I'm against gay marriage not against general rights for gays,...

I said LGBT, but speaking of gays, how is denying wedding cakes and marriage to gays not denying them a right? How is denying transgender bathroom rights not denying them a right? How is banning transgender people from the military not denying them a right?

We obey God who defines marriage. That's the way it is.

Freedom of religion means the freedom to practice your religion so long as it doesn't interfere with the rights of others. It doesn't give you the right to discriminate.

Marriage is for a man and a woman and you can fine us out of business or put us in prison or execute us at dawn but those of us who recognize this basic Biblical worldview aren't backing down. We will serve gays ANYTHING except something that validates this travesty of the ordinance of marriage. Perhaps you should hope for the Rapture to come very soon so our objections won't be such a thorn in the side of those who aspire to the Coming Pagan World Order.

Yes, we understand you believe your religion gives you the right to discriminate. Would a Christian rent an apartment to a gay couple? See, for example, Couple seeking a basement apartment refused for being gay.

Sometimes one group's rights have to give way to another's.

Discrimination against gays is illegal in a good portion of the secular world. When Christians are active in the secular world then they must follow secular laws, such as by providing equal service to all customers without regard to sex, creed, color or (in many jurisdictions) sexual orientation.

How convenient for you that you've found a religion that hates all the same things you hate anyway.

I'm absolutely in favor of racial equality,...

So you condemn the white nationalist/supremacist march in Charlottesville last year, and you condemn Trump's failure to condemn it?

I would if I were absolutely convinced that is the right understanding of it,...

"Right understanding of it"? What ambiguity is there for you? There is no doubt (there's video) that neo-Nazis, white nationalists and white supremacists marched down the streets of Charlottesville chanting slogans against blacks and Jews. You can't condemn that? You can't condemn Trump for not condemning that?

...but given our PC environment of slinging around the PC epithets such as "racist" I'm simply not sure what really happened there and who is to blame.

Why do you need to find blame for a few minor altercations (I assume you're as appalled as everyone else by white supremacist James Fields' murder by automobile of Heather Heyer) before you condemn neo-Nazis, white nationalists and white supremacists? If Antifa had beat each and every one of them to a pulp, does that make their views any more tolerable?

However, I'm certainly opposed to white supremacy.

And neo-Nazism and white nationalism? You know, they want a lot of the same things you do, like denying rights to LGBT folks and Muslims.

So let's summarize. You think you've exhibited sufficient goodness to be considered among the saved because:

  • You're for letting LGBT have some rights but not all.
  • You're against the ACA because it isn't affordable, even though it is, and you want to take away the health insurance that has been made available to millions who did not have it before.
  • You're against allowing people different from you into the country because diversity is just a leftist plot to destroy Christian culture.
  • You're against allowing current immigrants not interested in assimilation to remain in the country.
  • You won't condemn the neo-Nazis, white supremacists and white nationalists who marched against blacks and Jews in Charlottesville last year.

Still think you're one of the chosen? Not that, as I understand it, you have any say. It's just interesting that you possess such a conceit.

--Percy


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Message 215 of 296 (839791)
09-16-2018 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by anglagard
09-14-2018 1:57 PM


Scripture for the Rapture
Don't know if this issue has been brought up yet, but could you please quote chapter and verse where the Bible refers to this "rapture." Please feel free to take your time.

All the scripture verses that go into the thinking on the Rapture are beyond my ability to track down right now, but here are a few of the basics:

I Th 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:51-53 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Mat 24:40-41 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Luk 17:34-36 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

There are two different ways the Second Coming of Christ is described in scripture, one which is a total surprise and the other which would be anticipated, so that's how they make a split between a rapture of the Church that precedes the Tribulation period, followed by the coming of Christ to Earth.

There are plenty who dispute this two-event Second Coming but it seems reasonable to me. It's either that or we are raptured when Christ returns in full public glory, simply to meet Him in the air and accompany Him to earth. This view doesn't take into account those differences in the descriptions.

The Tribulation period is understood in the Rapture camp to be the seventieth week of the prophecy of the Seventy Weeks in Daniel 9, all of which were fulfilled up to the first advent of Christ, with one remaining unfulfilled, so that one is put off to the future, and that future has not yet come. This seven years is to be a time when according to Daniel a sinister person will have political power, which we understand to be the Antichrist.

This interpretation allows for the fulfilling of that seventieth week, and also for the fulfilling of the Day of the LORD which is mentioned in many places in scripture as a time of God's judgment on the whole earth, also referred to as "the time of Jacob's trouble," since if the Church is gone the Jews will become the subject of God's dealings again as they were in the Old Testament. I think it all holds together nicely myself. And then Jesus returns at the end of those seven years.

I can't claim to have studied all this in any depth, so that's all a sketch of what I've come to believe on the basis of other people's studies and arguments. I found a website that lays out a lot of scripture as well as argumentation defending this view and I can copy all that out if necessary, but it would be just one interpretation.

That being said, please notice my address change in my profile. Getting the hell out of pig ignorant ugly and evil West Texas for beautiful New Mexico - Now that is truly a rapture.

Well, congratulations, enjoy your new life. I looked up Socorro, very small town, kind of a surprising place to retire to, but then I haven't been there.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 216 of 296 (839792)
09-16-2018 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by Percy
09-14-2018 4:24 PM


I had a lot of personal impressions that made me think the Rapture could be very close, a pretty loose form of evidence, if that term applies. And as far as being "chosen" goes I expressed my worry that I might not be one of those raptured if it applies only to the "overcomers" since I'm unsure if I qualify on that ground. But if the whole Church is meant, meaning all those who put our trust in Christ, and especially those who are watching and looking forward to His return, then I would expect to be one of the raptured, yes.

Believe it or not, a main reason I wanted to post about the Rapture is that I want those who would be left behind not to be in total confusion about what happened, but have enough of an idea to be able to get through the Tribulation period with some foreknowledge. I would hope that for whenever the Rapture comes.

I've answered a lot of the rest of what you say in that post, and don't think it would accomplish much to do it again.

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Message 217 of 296 (839800)
09-16-2018 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 216 by Faith
09-16-2018 9:17 AM


Faith writes:

I had a lot of personal impressions that made me think the Rapture could be very close, a pretty loose form of evidence, if that term applies.

In terms of making predictions you had no evidence at all. Here are some valid predictions no one would ever dispute: If you let go of a brick it will fall. If you dive into the water you'll get wet. If you light a match and touch it to paper it will burn.

But "I heard a certain Bible verse on the radio," and similar stuff etc. etc., is not evidence the rapture is imminent. There has never been a rapture, so no one knows the signs of an approaching rapture. There is not even any evidence that there's any such thing as a rapture. Christians have been wrong in predicting the end times repeatedly through the centuries, see List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events at Wikipedia. There are 153 incorrect predictions in the list. 154 if I add yours.

Believe it or not, a main reason I wanted to post about the Rapture is that I want those who would be left behind not to be in total confusion about what happened, but have enough of an idea to be able to get through the Tribulation period with some foreknowledge. I would hope that for whenever the Rapture comes.

Please also warn us of alien invasions, the zombie apocalypse and the sun going nova.

I've answered a lot of the rest of what you say in that post, and don't think it would accomplish much to do it again.

I rebutted your answers. You think just believing the "right" thing qualifies you for salvation, but it is goodness that should be rewarded. Given the failure of your beliefs regarding your rapture prediction, how much faith should you place in your beliefs about who gets saved? If your beliefs led you astray about when, they could also be leading you astray about who.

--Percy


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Message 218 of 296 (839814)
09-16-2018 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Percy
09-16-2018 11:59 AM


The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Percy,to Faith writes:

You think just believing the "right" thing qualifies you for salvation, but it is goodness that should be rewarded.

One would think that they go hand in hand.

Even though you are not a believer, surely you wouldn't reject a messiah if one showed up to do His thing while you were busy working....unless you wanted no such alien interaction without more evidence.

What *would* you do if you found yourself being whisked away from your celestial home? Would it scare you? Anger you? Confuse you? One would think that the travelers would get briefed on what to expect.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Message 219 of 296 (839817)
09-16-2018 4:46 PM
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09-16-2018 4:06 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Yes, faith and works go hand in hand. My "works" here I do as a Christian but Percy thinks they are bad, not good.

Phat to Percy writes:

What *would* you do if you found yourself being whisked away from your celestial home? Would it scare you? Anger you? Confuse you? One would think that the travelers would get briefed on what to expect.

As I understand it, nobody is going to be "whisked away" who isn't prepared for it, watching and waiting for it.

The right question for Percy is what would he do if all the Christians he knows (I assume he knows some) suddenly disappeared. Would he consider what has been said about the rapture and the following tribulation and the soon return of Christ to earth, or would he prefer to find some rationalization based on his belief that those who believe as I do are the wicked ones who shouldn't be saved?

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Message 220 of 296 (839818)
09-16-2018 4:48 PM
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09-16-2018 4:06 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
To answer the title of the post, we are told in scripture we should ALWAYS be waiting and anticipating the Lord's return, always ready.

ABE: By the way, of course Percy has mischaracterized my "evidence" but there are so many things I say that get mischaracterized I'm just going to let the Lord sort it all out in the end. But I do want to say that those incidents alerted me to the possible closeness of the Rapture, and even though it wasn't on Rosh Hashanah it could still be close. That holiday was a very likely timing for it and I don't think there is any such likely timing coming up from now on until the distant future, so it's just a matter of continuing to watch because it could happen at any time.

Another date in the Jewish calendar that I considered is Tisha B'Av or the 9th of Av which is not a date determined in scripture but is traditionally the date on which major disasters have occurred in Jewish history, primarily the destruction of the two temples, Solomon's by the Babylonians and then the rebuilt temple by the Roman army in 70 AD, but there are other disasters in Jewish history that also fell on that date. The Rapture would be such a disaster because it would usher in the Day of the LORD or the "time of Jacob's trouble."

But Tisha B'Av isn't close, it occurs in July or August, which would put it out of range of my impressions that it is close. Unless I keep getting these portents.

ABE: Hm, another possibility is Hanukkah which could be considered to be close, and that commemorates the Maccabean victory over the first antichrist Daniel's prophecies, which makes an interesting parallel to the idea that the seventieth week of Daniel 9 will be dominated by the final Antichrist. Hm. No I'm not predicting it, just pondering possibilities. As Jesus said, it will come on a day nobody is anticipating.

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Message 221 of 296 (839822)
09-16-2018 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by Faith
09-16-2018 4:48 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Another date in the Jewish calendar that I considered is Tisha B'Av or the 9th of Av which is not a date determined in scripture but is traditionally the date on which major disasters have occurred in Jewish history, primarily the destruction of the two temples, Solomon's by the Babylonians and then the rebuilt temple by the Roman army in 70 AD, but there are other disasters in Jewish history that also fell on that date. The Rapture would be such a disaster because it would usher in the Day of the LORD or the "time of Jacob's trouble."

I can certainly see the fun in eschatology, but at the end of the day a Christian ought not lose sight of the following principle:

quote:
"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Translation: Even I [Jesus] don't know when the End Times will occur.

quote:
"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."

Translation: It's not about the destination, but the journey.

My best suggestion is to stop speculating, especially publicly, and live a good life for the Lord. When you look at it from a statistical point of view, thus far: End Times predictions have 0% success rate. When you think of it in those terms, it kind of summarizes a "boy who cried wolf" scenario. The more you attempt to predict it, the more you inadvertently harm the ultimate message you're trying to convey. With each failure comes ridicule anew.

And why preoccupy yourself with it, anyhow? It's supposed to be a glorious thing. If you're so certain of your standing with God, that he might say to you on the Day of Judgment, "Well done good and faithful servant," then grumblings about eschatological meanings is an unnecessary waste of valuable time... time that could be spent on the poor or those in prison, as Jesus commanded.

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"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 222 of 296 (839823)
09-16-2018 7:43 PM
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09-16-2018 7:32 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
I already answered all that Hyro. The closer we get to the possible fulfilment of a prophecy the more likely it is we will be getting some signs that it is near, and Jesus himself told us to be aware of those signs when he gave us the parable of the fig tree in Matthew 24. I started getting some PERSONAL signs, and I chose Rosh Hashanah because it is a likely date, being the next one on the calendar of the Jewish Holy Days, which is when major biblical events have occurred in the past (Passover and Pentecost). Even if that wasn't the date it could still be close. And there is nothing in scripture to say we shouldn't be aware of that, in fact the opposite: we are told to WATCH.

The reason for speculating publicly is that I want unbelievers to know what happened if it happens, for their sake. A perfect prediction isn't the point but knowing what happened when it happens is the point, and it will eventually happen.

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Message 223 of 296 (839824)
09-16-2018 7:50 PM
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09-16-2018 7:43 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
I already answered all that Hyro. The closer we get to the possible fulfilment of a prophecy the more likely it is we will be getting some signs that it is near, and Jesus himself told us to be aware of those signs when he gave us the parable of the fig tree in Matthew 24. I started getting some PERSONAL signs, and I chose Rosh Hashanah because it is a likely date, being the next one on the calendar of the High Holy Days, which is when major biblical events have occurred in the past. Even if that wasn't the date it could still be close. And there is nothing in scripture to say we shouldn't be aware of that, in fact the opposite.

The recognition of "Birth Pains" is one thing, naming a specific date is another.

The reason for speculating publicly is that I want unbelievers to know what happened if it happens, for their sake. A perfect prediction isn't the point but knowing what happened when it happens is the point, and it will eventually happen.

Everyone here knows what the End Times are... we've been going over it for like 12 years now. If you and all Christians are gone, we'll all know why.


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 224 of 296 (839825)
09-16-2018 7:51 PM
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09-16-2018 7:50 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
All my portents imply is that it is close, but Rosh Hashanah was a very very likely date. And if it is this close I see no reason why some of us wouldn't know the date as well. The closer we get the more information we will have.
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09-16-2018 7:53 PM
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09-16-2018 7:50 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
*Why* isn't the point, what is going to happen next, the great tribulation, is what people need most to know about, God's wrath on a disobedient world.

Oh and the wolf story isn't relevant since nobody has to act on anything. When the time finally comes THEN people will be scrambling to find out what is going to happen to them. Once it happens there is nothing anyone can do about it except act on whatever foreknowledge they have to avoid the worst of it if possible. That will take a certain amount of faith in the scripture in itself, but of course the time to act is before it happens, repent and be saved now. You can still do it later but you may have to die as a consequence. Mistaken predictions of the timing don't change the fact that it will happen eventually. Debunkers will always be debunkers, but they are going to have to wake up when it finally does happen.

It's probably a good thing overall that there are all these mistaken predictions because it keeps the prophecy in the public eye.

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