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Message 205 of 1677 (839730)
09-14-2018 2:21 AM
Reply to: Message 194 by Percy
09-13-2018 3:10 PM


So I was wrong? You're actually for immigration, for LGBT rights, for affordable health care for everyone, for racial equality, and for diversity? However did I pick up such misimpressions?
Because you've bought into Political correctness. Yes I'm for reasonable standards of legal immigration that enhance rather than destroying our western civilization. If people want to come here and assimilate, and love our Constitution and our culture, they ought to be welcome.
I'm for LGBT rights that don't force the rest of us to treat their unnatural behaviors as normal. They should be protected from harm, but not allowed to force their way of life on the rest of us.
A big problem with "affordable health care" is that it isn't affordable.
I'm absolutely unequivocally for racial equality. Sheesh.
I think "diversity" is just a PC term that obscures the Leftist Agenda of destroying Christian culture.
I'm against illegal uncontrolled immigration,...
Who isn't. So immigration of Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, pagans, atheists and LGBT's is fine by you?
I'm for accepting all who appreciate our western values and are willing to assimilate and adopt them, which is what happened with earlier generations of immigrants. But that very concept is denied in our postmodern leftist world. It is pernicious naivete to think that all cultures are equal and especially all ideologies, since there are totalitarian ideologies such as Islam that seek to overthrow every religious and political system but Islam.
...I'm against gay marriage not against general rights for gays,...
I said LGBT, but speaking of gays, how is denying wedding cakes and marriage to gays not denying them a right? How is denying transgender bathroom rights not denying them a right? How is banning transgender people from the military not denying them a right?
We obey God who defines marriage. That's the way it is. Marriage is for a man and a woman and you can fine us out of business or put us in prison or execute us at dawn but those of us who recognize this basic Biblical worldview aren't backing down. We will serve gays ANYTHING except something that validates this travesty of the ordinance of marriage. Perhaps you should hope for the Rapture to come very soon so our objections won't be such a thorn in the side of those who aspire to the Coming Pagan World Order.
Sometimes one group's rights have to give way to another's. While in one way I don't really see a problem with transgenders using the bathroom of their choice -- IF THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT WITHOUT ALARMING ANYONE -- I also know that it freaks out kids to find the opposite sex in their bathroom and I'm for protecting kids.
I'm absolutely in favor of racial equality,...
So you condemn the white nationalist/supremicist march in Charlottesville last year, and you condemn Trump's failure to condemn it?
I would if I were absolutely convinced that is the right understanding of it, but given our PC environment of slinging around the PC epithets such as "racist" I'm simply not sure what really happened there and who is to blame. However, I'm certainly opposed to white supremacy.
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Message 215 of 1677 (839791)
09-16-2018 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by anglagard
09-14-2018 1:57 PM


Scripture for the Rapture
Don't know if this issue has been brought up yet, but could you please quote chapter and verse where the Bible refers to this "rapture." Please feel free to take your time.
All the scripture verses that go into the thinking on the Rapture are beyond my ability to track down right now, but here are a few of the basics:
I Th 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Corinthians 15:51-53 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Mat 24:40-41 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luk 17:34-36 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
There are two different ways the Second Coming of Christ is described in scripture, one which is a total surprise and the other which would be anticipated, so that's how they make a split between a rapture of the Church that precedes the Tribulation period, followed by the coming of Christ to Earth.
There are plenty who dispute this two-event Second Coming but it seems reasonable to me. It's either that or we are raptured when Christ returns in full public glory, simply to meet Him in the air and accompany Him to earth. This view doesn't take into account those differences in the descriptions.
The Tribulation period is understood in the Rapture camp to be the seventieth week of the prophecy of the Seventy Weeks in Daniel 9, all of which were fulfilled up to the first advent of Christ, with one remaining unfulfilled, so that one is put off to the future, and that future has not yet come. This seven years is to be a time when according to Daniel a sinister person will have political power, which we understand to be the Antichrist.
This interpretation allows for the fulfilling of that seventieth week, and also for the fulfilling of the Day of the LORD which is mentioned in many places in scripture as a time of God's judgment on the whole earth, also referred to as "the time of Jacob's trouble," since if the Church is gone the Jews will become the subject of God's dealings again as they were in the Old Testament. I think it all holds together nicely myself. And then Jesus returns at the end of those seven years.
I can't claim to have studied all this in any depth, so that's all a sketch of what I've come to believe on the basis of other people's studies and arguments. I found a website that lays out a lot of scripture as well as argumentation defending this view and I can copy all that out if necessary, but it would be just one interpretation.
That being said, please notice my address change in my profile. Getting the hell out of pig ignorant ugly and evil West Texas for beautiful New Mexico - Now that is truly a rapture.
Well, congratulations, enjoy your new life. I looked up Socorro, very small town, kind of a surprising place to retire to, but then I haven't been there.
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Message 216 of 1677 (839792)
09-16-2018 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by Percy
09-14-2018 4:24 PM


I had a lot of personal impressions that made me think the Rapture could be very close, a pretty loose form of evidence, if that term applies. And as far as being "chosen" goes I expressed my worry that I might not be one of those raptured if it applies only to the "overcomers" since I'm unsure if I qualify on that ground. But if the whole Church is meant, meaning all those who put our trust in Christ, and especially those who are watching and looking forward to His return, then I would expect to be one of the raptured, yes.
Believe it or not, a main reason I wanted to post about the Rapture is that I want those who would be left behind not to be in total confusion about what happened, but have enough of an idea to be able to get through the Tribulation period with some foreknowledge. I would hope that for whenever the Rapture comes.
I've answered a lot of the rest of what you say in that post, and don't think it would accomplish much to do it again.
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Message 219 of 1677 (839817)
09-16-2018 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by Phat
09-16-2018 4:06 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Yes, faith and works go hand in hand. My "works" here I do as a Christian but Percy thinks they are bad, not good.
Phat to Percy writes:
What *would* you do if you found yourself being whisked away from your celestial home? Would it scare you? Anger you? Confuse you? One would think that the travelers would get briefed on what to expect.
As I understand it, nobody is going to be "whisked away" who isn't prepared for it, watching and waiting for it.
The right question for Percy is what would he do if all the Christians he knows (I assume he knows some) suddenly disappeared. Would he consider what has been said about the rapture and the following tribulation and the soon return of Christ to earth, or would he prefer to find some rationalization based on his belief that those who believe as I do are the wicked ones who shouldn't be saved?
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Message 220 of 1677 (839818)
09-16-2018 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by Phat
09-16-2018 4:06 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
To answer the title of the post, we are told in scripture we should ALWAYS be waiting and anticipating the Lord's return, always ready.
ABE: By the way, of course Percy has mischaracterized my "evidence" but there are so many things I say that get mischaracterized I'm just going to let the Lord sort it all out in the end. But I do want to say that those incidents alerted me to the possible closeness of the Rapture, and even though it wasn't on Rosh Hashanah it could still be close. That holiday was a very likely timing for it and I don't think there is any such likely timing coming up from now on until the distant future, so it's just a matter of continuing to watch because it could happen at any time.
Another date in the Jewish calendar that I considered is Tisha B'Av or the 9th of Av which is not a date determined in scripture but is traditionally the date on which major disasters have occurred in Jewish history, primarily the destruction of the two temples, Solomon's by the Babylonians and then the rebuilt temple by the Roman army in 70 AD, but there are other disasters in Jewish history that also fell on that date. The Rapture would be such a disaster because it would usher in the Day of the LORD or the "time of Jacob's trouble."
But Tisha B'Av isn't close, it occurs in July or August, which would put it out of range of my impressions that it is close. Unless I keep getting these portents.
ABE: Hm, another possibility is Hanukkah which could be considered to be close, and that commemorates the Maccabean victory over the first antichrist Daniel's prophecies, which makes an interesting parallel to the idea that the seventieth week of Daniel 9 will be dominated by the final Antichrist. Hm. No I'm not predicting it, just pondering possibilities. As Jesus said, it will come on a day nobody is anticipating.
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Message 222 of 1677 (839823)
09-16-2018 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by Hyroglyphx
09-16-2018 7:32 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
I already answered all that Hyro. The closer we get to the possible fulfilment of a prophecy the more likely it is we will be getting some signs that it is near, and Jesus himself told us to be aware of those signs when he gave us the parable of the fig tree in Matthew 24. I started getting some PERSONAL signs, and I chose Rosh Hashanah because it is a likely date, being the next one on the calendar of the Jewish Holy Days, which is when major biblical events have occurred in the past (Passover and Pentecost). Even if that wasn't the date it could still be close. And there is nothing in scripture to say we shouldn't be aware of that, in fact the opposite: we are told to WATCH.
The reason for speculating publicly is that I want unbelievers to know what happened if it happens, for their sake. A perfect prediction isn't the point but knowing what happened when it happens is the point, and it will eventually happen.
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Message 224 of 1677 (839825)
09-16-2018 7:51 PM
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09-16-2018 7:50 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
All my portents imply is that it is close, but Rosh Hashanah was a very very likely date. And if it is this close I see no reason why some of us wouldn't know the date as well. The closer we get the more information we will have.

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Message 225 of 1677 (839826)
09-16-2018 7:53 PM
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09-16-2018 7:50 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
*Why* isn't the point, what is going to happen next, the great tribulation, is what people need most to know about, God's wrath on a disobedient world.
Oh and the wolf story isn't relevant since nobody has to act on anything. When the time finally comes THEN people will be scrambling to find out what is going to happen to them. Once it happens there is nothing anyone can do about it except act on whatever foreknowledge they have to avoid the worst of it if possible. That will take a certain amount of faith in the scripture in itself, but of course the time to act is before it happens, repent and be saved now. You can still do it later but you may have to die as a consequence. Mistaken predictions of the timing don't change the fact that it will happen eventually. Debunkers will always be debunkers, but they are going to have to wake up when it finally does happen.
It's probably a good thing overall that there are all these mistaken predictions because it keeps the prophecy in the public eye.
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Message 226 of 1677 (839827)
09-16-2018 8:19 PM
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09-16-2018 7:32 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Oh by the way, Jesus did NOT say He didn't know when the "end times" would occur-- anybody who knows scripture at all and sees what's happening in the world knows those times have been upon us for a while now. What Jesus said is that He didn't know the time of His return, which is what we are talking about here. It is very possible He knows it now, so we can too, or perhaps it will remain a total secret until the last second.

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Message 227 of 1677 (839828)
09-16-2018 8:22 PM
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09-16-2018 7:50 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Oh too, "birth pangs" have been going on for a while. The parable of the fig tree speaks of knowing the season and seeing even that it is "at the very door."

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Message 231 of 1677 (839832)
09-16-2018 10:12 PM
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09-16-2018 8:49 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Just that it's a lot closer at least.

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Message 232 of 1677 (839833)
09-16-2018 10:17 PM
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09-16-2018 9:17 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
What if God considers refusing to serve a gay wedding a good work? Or fighting to end abortion?
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Message 233 of 1677 (839834)
09-16-2018 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by Hyroglyphx
09-16-2018 8:47 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
He DIDN'T know the day or time then, but what I'm saying is that the closer we get to it the more likely it is that He may NOW know. In any case WE are told to recognize when it is "at the very door."
But the End Times are a longer period when we see general signs of its coming. In a certain sense they started with the crucifixion but there are also bound to be increasing signs the closer we get and the amazing increase in doctrines and practices that oppose God's law, that are culturally and even legally promoted by the world, particularly in the once-Christian west, and even, God help us, in so-called "Christian" churches, are major signs:
Abortion is one: Christians put an end to the infanticide that was practiced in the Roman Empire but now we are reverting to that. The normalization and legal/social support of LGBT practices flies in the face of Christian doctrine. It all goes back to making divorce easier, later to cohabitating unmarrieds, and a general deterioration of the morality of us all. There has always been hidden sexual sin in the Roman Church because of their forced celibacy requirements for those in the religious life, but now we've got rampant child molestation by priests and rampant coverups. Pornography is now a protected "freedom." I'm not sure why this list is all about sexuality but for some reason it is. All this has been proliferating at a galloping pace in very recent time.
THAT's what I mean by the end times being upon us. How long will the Lord wait before He says "time's up" and lets loose His final days of wrath?
abe: Guess I could add things like giving Wicca, witchcraft yet, legal religious status. Even Satanism. Not recognizing the true nature of Islam is at least as stupid and suicidal as it is sinful etc etc etc., but Islam is likely to be a major instrument for the punishment of the West. I'm sure there are other things to add to the list that I'm not thinking of.
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Faith 
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Message 235 of 1677 (839836)
09-16-2018 11:07 PM
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09-16-2018 11:03 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
All that describes God's judgments/vengeance on specific peoples for specific transgressions -- judgments against the guilty, that has nothing to do with the slaughter of the innocent unborn. Our list that invites His vengeance is much longer, and the west, at least America, was once obedient to Him, so much the greater will be our punishment.
I reiterate: Christians brought abortion/infanticide to an end, and now we are reverting to it again. We brought witchcraft to an end and now we are legalizing it. Homosexuality was always condemned and now we are normalizing and applauding it. Etc etc etc. These are strong signs that we are at the very end.
abe: forgot to add to the list our denial of the death penalty for murder: that is a direct violation of God's command.
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Message 236 of 1677 (839837)
09-16-2018 11:22 PM
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09-16-2018 11:03 PM


Re: The First Bus never came. Shall we still wait?
Because Rosh Hashanah is a very likely time, and the closer we get the more likely it is that we could actually know the day; I've said that more than once, what's your problem?
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