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Message 331 of 338 (839978)
09-20-2018 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 330 by caffeine
09-20-2018 1:39 PM


Re: Immigration part of conspiracy to destroy Christian civlization
caffeine writes:

It seems to me that all you're really saying is that western Christian culture is diverse. But of course that's going to be the case if we talking about something so big.

Exactly. Western Civilization was Christians and Jews and Muslims and just about every religion that ever existed. And a significant part of that was based on one group saying the other group were NOT Christians. here is almost nothing that is common to all Christians that relates to society or civilization beyond a belief that everybody else are not Christians and are not civilized.

What we call Western Civilization is NOT based on Christian ideals or laws or morals or forms of Governments or economy or science. In the US Constitution we went so far as to put in prohibitions against Christian Government. Particularly when we look at the Western Civilization of the last few hundred years it would be more realistic to call it a Western Muslim civilization since so much of it is based on adopting the Arabic numerals and Arabic science and those actually are common to all that we consider Western Civilization.


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Message 332 of 338 (839979)
09-20-2018 5:53 PM
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09-13-2018 6:20 PM


Re: Immigration part of conspiracy to destroy Christian civlization
Faith writes:

The papacy murdered 50 million Bible believing Christians during the Inquisition.

Source please.

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Message 333 of 338 (839980)
09-20-2018 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 332 by 1.61803
09-20-2018 5:53 PM


Re: Immigration part of conspiracy to destroy Christian civlization
This has been discussed before. Here's a brief summary of the evidence with links:
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Message 334 of 338 (839985)
09-20-2018 10:40 PM
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09-20-2018 4:27 PM


Re: Immigration part of conspiracy to destroy Christian civlization
What we call Western Civilization is NOT based on Christian ideals or laws or morals or forms of Governments or economy or science.

Funny how it's traditionally been known as "Christendom" then.

Your revisionist zeal is just weird, to be polite about it. It's hard to fathom the hatred you must have for all things Christian to say the things you say, and yet call yourself a Christian.

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Message 335 of 338 (839987)
09-20-2018 11:37 PM
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09-20-2018 5:53 PM


Re: Immigration part of conspiracy to destroy Christian civlization
I found this. Lemme look up Faiths links below....

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Message 336 of 338 (839990)
09-21-2018 8:17 AM
Reply to: Message 334 by Faith
09-20-2018 10:40 PM


Re: Immigration part of conspiracy to destroy Christian civlization
Faith writes:

Funny how it's traditionally been known as "Christendom" then.

It was only called "Christendom" by some Christians. But back in the 1950s when I was in the segment of history course dealing with the last few hundred years it was called Western Civilization not Western Christian Civilization. And that was when I was attending a Christian School affiliated with one of the recognized Protestant Christian sects, not some Christian Avoidance School.

Faith writes:

It's hard to fathom the hatred you must have for all things Christian to say the things you say, and yet call yourself a Christian.

But once again, reality shows you are simply once again wrong and just misrepresenting my position. I do not hate Christianity. I do find the picayune perversion of Christianity based on Calvinism, the modern Biblical Inerrancy movement and the Christian Cult of Ignorance and Dishonesty to be deplorable.


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Message 337 of 338 (839994)
09-21-2018 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 333 by Faith
09-20-2018 7:27 PM


Re: Immigration part of conspiracy to destroy Christian civlization
Hello Faith,

Your first source link is broken.

Your second link says this:

quote:
However, if we are simply talking about official executions during the Spanish Inquisition, most contemporary experts would place the total number of executions between 3,000 and 10,000, with perhaps an additional 100,000 to 125,000 dying in prison as a result of torture and maltreatment. The Inquisition in neighboring Portugal resulted in even fewer such deaths (cf. Joseph Pérez, The Spanish Inquisition [Profile Books, 2006], 173; R. J. Rummel, Death by Government [Transaction Publishers, 2009], 62).

And this:

quote:
David Plaisted acknowledges that reality in his study: namely, that the really big estimates of Protestants killed by the papacy throughout European history necessarily include those who died in religious conflicts like the Thirty Years War.

In short, your "sources" for your lie that the Catholic church killed 50 million protestants during the Inquistions is first off a broken link and a link that disputes your lie.


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Message 338 of 338 (840003)
09-21-2018 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 337 by 1.61803
09-21-2018 10:18 AM


Re: Immigration part of conspiracy to destroy Christian civlization
Too bad, that original link had a really good complete copy. Well, here are some other possibilities:

https://www.jamesjpn.net/...-christ-killed-by-the-roman-pope

http://fliphtml5.com/bsxh/ofmu/basic

I included Cripplegate as a different opinion but they focus on the Spanish INquisition, which was only a very small part of the persecutions by the RCC over the centuries.

I found Plaisted's article in book form at the first link above and just printed it out for myself. He's very thorough. He's working with estimates down the centuries that can't usually be traced but the way he puts it together he's very careful and to my mind the fifty million is believable, especially since there were many much higher estimates than that.

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