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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: Name a few. The only one I've ever heard told is the temper tantrum in the temple, but it seems logical that if it really was His Fathers House he would have every right to chase the marketers out the door. Got any more? He (Jesus) was prone to a lot of human foibles.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: the word "week" is a translation of the Hebrew word for "seven." It doesn't take a lot of thought to figure out that it's referring to years in batches of sevens. Only in your world Faith. In my world the word week means seven days. If it means 7 years then the translation should say that because, you know, it's several orders of magnitude wrong. But in either case, it still didn't happen. Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You can't understand the Old Testament without SOME basic respect for how the Hebrew language is used.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: You can't understand the Old Testament without SOME basic respect for how the Hebrew language is used. Neither of us read the bible in Hebrew. We read it in English. If the English translation is 'week' then it means 7 days. If it actually means something else, then the translation is wrong. But, as I say, in either case, the prophecy, like all others - your own included - failed.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
If Jesus wasn't susceptible to sin, there would have been no point in Satan tempting Him. Jesus had not one human foible.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
YOU didn't answer it. I pointed out that it only takes one ambiguity to make ambiguity. They specifically answer your false complaint.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The best translations take into account the way Hebrew is used because often its meanings are lost if a flatfooted translation is made instead. Hebrew has all kinds of conventions that help bring out its meanings and a good preacher will explain these things.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Who said Jesus wasn't susceptible to sin?
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You are wrong about that, but in any case this wasn't about ambiguity. I was answering your claim that Christians made up original sin and blood sacrifice rather than relying on the Bible. They are both unambiguously in the Bible.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Besides His tantrum in the Temple, He destroyed an innocent herd of pigs and he withered a fig tree. Anger seems to have been one of His weaknesses. He also used perfume on his feet - I don't know if that was vanity or just plain selfishness. He prayed to be excused from the cross. On the cross He practically denounced God for forsaking Him. Sounds pretty human to me. Name a few. Seriously, you should know this stuff.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
You said He had no human foibles. What could be more human than susceptibilty to sin? Who said Jesus wasn't susceptible to sin?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
No, they are not unambiguous in the Bible. I showed you the contradictory verses. The only thing that's unambiguous about it is your cherry-picked preference. I was answering your claim that Christians made up original sin and blood sacrifice rather than relying on the Bible. They are both unambiguously in the Bible.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Jesus never did anything that was not absolutely perfect and correct. He never lost control. His anger was always righteous and correct. Accepting the perfume was a way of saying He was worth it all. The poor you will always have with you but me you will not always have with you. He is worth ten thousand million alabaster boxes of the costliest stuff. The way you denigrate His noble actions and words is positively nauseating.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You don't know how to read the Bible and eventually it is just a tedious futility to try to debate you.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
I gave you examples and all you give in return is unsupported denial.
Jesus never did anything that was not absolutely perfect and correct. Faith writes:
Pointing out that He was human is not denigrating. He's a lot more impressive as a human who resisted temptation most of the time than as a God who could do no wrong. The way you denigrate His noble actions and words is positively nauseating.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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