Christianity and the End Times

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On July 17, 2009, NASA released low-resolution engineering test photos of the Apollo 11, Apollo 14, Apollo 15, Apollo 16 and Apollo 17 landing sites that have been photographed by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter as part of the process of starting its primary mission.[181] The photos show the descent stage of the landers from each mission on the Moon's surface. The photo of the Apollo 14 landing site also shows tracks made by an astronaut between a science experiment (ALSEP) and the lander.[181] Photos of the Apollo 12 landing site were released by NASA on September 3, 2009.[182] The Intrepid lander descent stage, experiment package (ALSEP), Surveyor 3 spacecraft, and astronaut footpaths are all visible. While the LRO images have been enjoyed by the scientific community as a whole, they have not done anything to convince conspiracists that the landings happened.[183]

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On September 1, 2009, India's lunar mission Chandrayaan-1 took photos of the Apollo 15 landing site and tracks of the lunar rovers.[184][185] The Indian Space Research Organisation launched their unmanned lunar probe on September 8, 2008 (IST), from Satish Dhawan Space Centre. The photos were taken by a hyperspectral camera fitted as part of the mission's image payload.[184]

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China's second lunar probe, Chang'e 2, which was launched in 2010, can photograph the lunar surface with a resolution of up to 1.3 meters (4.3 feet). It spotted traces of the Apollo landings.[186]

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Etc etc etcMoon landing conspiracy theories - WikipediaReligious nutters will believe anything.

Conspiracy theorists can invent a limitless supply of bollox that normals are then expected to refute. Most normals can't be arsed aguing with crack-pots because they know that crack-pots don't care about evidence-based facts. We can theorise about sounds on the moon but we can never prove anything so the nutcases live on..But all that crap is irrelevant if you can independantly provide irrefuteable evidence that it happened. We nw have that evidence. So the idiots can shut up. Prediction; they won't.

If you have a burglar on CCTV and his DNA on the broken window there's no need to speculate about whether he was actually indoors watching the football at the time of the incident.

Oh, good grief...Sounds travels through a medium by vibration. The medium can be anything that has atoms, air, water rock, bone, space suits....whatever. Cochlear implants work via bone conduction. Here's a transcript from Apollo 17:Geology Station 2143:29:03 Cernan: Now, I want to try to take this piece off first. (Pause as Gene hammers)143:29:10 Schmitt: Pretty hard, isn't it.
[Hammering sounds - a soft "plock" - can be heard through Gene's suit. He takes seven whacks at the top of the boulder on the east end.][Cernan - "Although we can hear on the tape that the microphone in my suit was picking up the sound of my hammering, I don't ever remember hearing it. I could certainly feel it; and I've always contended that it's a very fine line between hearing noise and feeling noise. With that hammer, when you hit something the shock went through your whole body; but I'm not sure I ever heard the noise, probably because my ears were covered with the Snoopy helmet."][What seems likely is that, when Gene hits the rock, the hammer rebounds against the palm of the pressurized glove, creating a sound wave in the suit loud enough to be picked up by the microphone at Gene's lips. In brief, the suit acts like a drum.]

Please take your pulpit and preach your magical nonsense elsewhere.

This is a debate site, not a teaching and preaching site - if you want to do that, get yourself off to your church. If you continue to do it here, you'll get yourself banned.If you want to discuss something, you start a new thread on it and see if anyone is interested. That includes why we exist in the universe. Now get down off your pulpit and start debating.

So in this room you discuss bible topics with others, not by teaching and preaching, which is a one way communication form. Well you said it. And preaching is what you have openly admitted you are doing and what you intend to carry on doing. And I have said that if you want to do that, you open another thread called 'the meaning of man in the universe' - not in this thread or in the bible forums. That's how it works.Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

It's really not difficult. In this thread we are - or are supposed to be - discussing Christianity and the End Times. If you want to discuss something else, you create a new thread for it in the correct forum. That way the original thread doesn't get polluted and run off at all manner of tangents.

An undated prophecy is just a wish.

No shit! I wonder why that is? Yeh, where a week isn't 7 days. It's something else. And even when it's something else, it still didn't work.And when a generation isn't a generation - it's now 2,000 years and counting... Pish. It's the responsibility of the prophesier to say when the prophecy will be fulfilled in unabiguous terms. Otherwise it's just yet another idiot with a 'the end of the world is nigh' sign strapped to his back. So that for thousands of years you can say the prophecy is about to be fulfilled in your personal lifetime and be wrong over and over and over again.

Only in your world Faith.In my world the word week means seven days. If it means 7 years then the translation should say that because, you know, it's several orders of magnitude wrong. But in either case, it still didn't happen.Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Neither of us read the bible in Hebrew. We read it in English. If the English translation is 'week' then it means 7 days. If it actually means something else, then the translation is wrong.But, as I say, in either case, the prophecy, like all others - your own included - failed.

Self-deception is glorious I can see that. You're living your own magnificent dream. The tricky thing for me to understand is why you're here watching us pick it apart bit by bit. After all, at some point we might wake you up.

Oh we've got many, many more than that Faith. And, of course, quite a lot of them were Catholic too.

No-one has special knowledge Faith. No-one. All everyone is doing is a form of literary criticism of you book and making stuff up about it that they like or dislike. There is nothing else to go on.