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ringo
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Message 1501 of 1748 (840195)
09-24-2018 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1499 by Faith
09-24-2018 4:21 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:
You don't know how to read the Bible and eventually it is just a tedious futility to try to debate you.
You don't read the Bible. You write your own.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1503 of 1748 (840197)
09-24-2018 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1502 by Faith
09-24-2018 4:31 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:
He did no wrong as a SINLESS PERFECT MAN, not as God.
We're talking about His life as a human here on earth. The examples I gave would be considered wrong if He was any other human. He can't use the get-out-of-sin-free card just because He's wearing His Son hat.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1517 of 1748 (840219)
09-25-2018 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1515 by jaywill
09-25-2018 12:21 PM


jaywill writes:
I wonder how many years of evolution have to take place before such an opinion could graduate up to the level of asinine.
You have it backwards (no surprises there). Primates and donkeys branched from the same mammal root but primates evolved more intelligence.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1531 of 1748 (840248)
09-26-2018 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1529 by Phat
09-26-2018 11:58 AM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Phat writes:
I don't believe that God usually gives us direct answers. He stimulates our thinking.
Copout. If that's all your God does, he's no different than Freud or Frodo.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1535 of 1748 (840259)
09-26-2018 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1533 by Phat
09-26-2018 12:43 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Phat writes:
You've never trusted Him anyway.
Stop it. Telling lies about me doesn't help your case.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1537 of 1748 (840263)
09-26-2018 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1536 by Phat
09-26-2018 12:49 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Phat writes:
Is it a lie?
Yes.
Phat writes:
You have indicated that you dont even believe that He exists.
You keep saying that I "never" believed. That is a lie. Maybe it comforts you to think that no True Believer could ever stop believing but it's stll a lie.
Phat writes:
You trust humans.
Another think I have to keep telling you over and over again: I trust humans more than I trust your God. Human interests are more likely to coincide with mine. Your God plans to torture me for eternity, so he isn't very appealing.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1539 of 1748 (840266)
09-26-2018 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1538 by Phat
09-26-2018 1:05 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Phat writes:
Why would He torture you?
You tell me. It's your religion. Next time you're communing with God, ask him.
Phat writes:
Do you have a documented reason?
Ever hear of the Bible?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1541 of 1748 (840270)
09-26-2018 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1540 by Phat
09-26-2018 1:16 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Phat writes:
There is no evidence even in the Bible that God would torture you specifically.
Bullshit.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1543 of 1748 (840276)
09-26-2018 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1542 by Phat
09-26-2018 1:21 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Phat writes:
Care to quote it?
Since you think I never go outside Matthew 25, that's as good a place as any to start:
quote:
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
According to Faith and jaywill, that's me. Even if it isn't me specifically, I disapprove.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1545 of 1748 (840280)
09-26-2018 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1544 by Phat
09-26-2018 1:34 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Phat writes:
Do you feel as if you resemble those on the Left hand? Is there any reason why you could argue on their behalf, even if you were not obne of them?
I am one of them. I'm human. Maybe I've done enough to be a sheep and maybe not.
Phat writes:
Is God obligated to save everybody regardless of their behavior and actions?
A decent God wouldn't have to "save" anybody from Himself.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1549 of 1748 (840290)
09-26-2018 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1546 by Phat
09-26-2018 1:47 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Phat writes:
It is my belief that God desires all to live in His "house" yet He won't simply invite them all in since some carry viruses that can infect others.
That's a very poor analogy. Is your God that puny that he can't control what goes on in his own house?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1552 of 1748 (840294)
09-26-2018 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1551 by Phat
09-26-2018 2:23 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Phat writes:
Would you (if you were all-powerful) allow them to simply steal whatever their freewill wanted?
Why would anybody in heaven need to steal? You're just making a bad analogy worse.
Edited by ringo, : Fixed a baad unintentional pun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1556 of 1748 (840301)
09-26-2018 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1553 by Phat
09-26-2018 2:35 PM


Re: Is There Consensus On Who Are Goats And Who Are Sheep?
Phat writes:
What makes you think everybody should end up in Heaven?
You can't have it both ways. Either every good person, believer or not, goes to heaven or your God is a vicious sadistic bastard.
Phat writes:
Some of them likely would refuse to follow the protocol.
Why would there need to be a protocol?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1558 of 1748 (840306)
09-26-2018 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1557 by Phat
09-26-2018 3:24 PM


Re: Is There Consensus On Who Are Goats And Who Are Sheep?
Phat writes:
Its rather amusing to see you deciding what a God should be or do.
You're being disingenuous again. What would you think of a human who caused a gigantic flood that killed millions of people? What would you think of a human who threatened to torture millions with fire? You'd have the same assessment of your God as I do if you weren't working so hard at doublethink.
Phat writes:
Lets get back to the guest analogy. We now have you indiscriminately inviting any and all guests in to stay the night or the week in your own house. Would you allow them to stay up all night and make noise? Would you allow them to raid the fridge and eat all your food...without prior consent? Would you allow them to invite others over? Would you essentially make them co-owners of your home? Should God be so free and easy as He allows everyone in the door?
I answered that. We're talking about God here. Why would God be afraid of people eating his food?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1561 of 1748 (840311)
09-26-2018 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1548 by Faith
09-26-2018 2:11 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:
The definition of a follower of Christ is a sheep.
The problem you guys have is that you misunderstand what "follow" and 'believe" mean. Sheep do, in fact, follow their shepherd and do what he wants them to do. Whether or not they believe his pedigree is not important.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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