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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
You don't read the Bible. You write your own. You don't know how to read the Bible and eventually it is just a tedious futility to try to debate you.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
We're talking about His life as a human here on earth. The examples I gave would be considered wrong if He was any other human. He can't use the get-out-of-sin-free card just because He's wearing His Son hat. He did no wrong as a SINLESS PERFECT MAN, not as God.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
jaywill writes:
You have it backwards (no surprises there). Primates and donkeys branched from the same mammal root but primates evolved more intelligence. I wonder how many years of evolution have to take place before such an opinion could graduate up to the level of asinine.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Copout. If that's all your God does, he's no different than Freud or Frodo. I don't believe that God usually gives us direct answers. He stimulates our thinking.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Stop it. Telling lies about me doesn't help your case. You've never trusted Him anyway.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Yes.
Is it a lie? Phat writes:
You keep saying that I "never" believed. That is a lie. Maybe it comforts you to think that no True Believer could ever stop believing but it's stll a lie.
You have indicated that you dont even believe that He exists. Phat writes:
Another think I have to keep telling you over and over again: I trust humans more than I trust your God. Human interests are more likely to coincide with mine. Your God plans to torture me for eternity, so he isn't very appealing. You trust humans.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
You tell me. It's your religion. Next time you're communing with God, ask him.
Why would He torture you? Phat writes:
Ever hear of the Bible? Do you have a documented reason?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Bullshit. There is no evidence even in the Bible that God would torture you specifically.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Since you think I never go outside Matthew 25, that's as good a place as any to start:
Care to quote it?quote:According to Faith and jaywill, that's me. Even if it isn't me specifically, I disapprove. And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I am one of them. I'm human. Maybe I've done enough to be a sheep and maybe not.
Do you feel as if you resemble those on the Left hand? Is there any reason why you could argue on their behalf, even if you were not obne of them? Phat writes:
A decent God wouldn't have to "save" anybody from Himself. Is God obligated to save everybody regardless of their behavior and actions?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That's a very poor analogy. Is your God that puny that he can't control what goes on in his own house? It is my belief that God desires all to live in His "house" yet He won't simply invite them all in since some carry viruses that can infect others.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Why would anybody in heaven need to steal? You're just making a bad analogy worse. Would you (if you were all-powerful) allow them to simply steal whatever their freewill wanted? Edited by ringo, : Fixed a baad unintentional pun.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
You can't have it both ways. Either every good person, believer or not, goes to heaven or your God is a vicious sadistic bastard.
What makes you think everybody should end up in Heaven? Phat writes:
Why would there need to be a protocol? Some of them likely would refuse to follow the protocol.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
You're being disingenuous again. What would you think of a human who caused a gigantic flood that killed millions of people? What would you think of a human who threatened to torture millions with fire? You'd have the same assessment of your God as I do if you weren't working so hard at doublethink.
Its rather amusing to see you deciding what a God should be or do. Phat writes:
I answered that. We're talking about God here. Why would God be afraid of people eating his food? Lets get back to the guest analogy. We now have you indiscriminately inviting any and all guests in to stay the night or the week in your own house. Would you allow them to stay up all night and make noise? Would you allow them to raid the fridge and eat all your food...without prior consent? Would you allow them to invite others over? Would you essentially make them co-owners of your home? Should God be so free and easy as He allows everyone in the door?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
The problem you guys have is that you misunderstand what "follow" and 'believe" mean. Sheep do, in fact, follow their shepherd and do what he wants them to do. Whether or not they believe his pedigree is not important. The definition of a follower of Christ is a sheep.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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