Gun Control III

Hi Faith! There is absolutely nothing wrong with being wrong sometimes, and I respect people who admit it when they make a mistake. But I would like to just point out that you regularly talk down your nose at atheists who point out evident contradictions in Scripture. You like to talk about your many years of Biblical study, and years of reading the best commentaries from the most serious theological minds...yet you didn't understand the context of one of the more frequently-quoted lines of Scripture, whereas it was was immediately clear to some of the resident atheists.Again, nothing but respect for admitting your error, but a little humility about the limitations of our knowledge goes a long way.abe: I see while I was typing this response you continued: There she is; the old Faith back in standard form. I wondered where she'd gotten off to. Edited by Aussie, : No reason given.

Here's a typical commentary from Got Questions on that command, and I didn't get it all that wrong, just hadn't remembered the context. But as I said it's about personal retaliation, not self defense in serious life-threatening situations. Turns out it IS about being insulted too.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Thanks but no thanks. Unbelievers do not know how to read the Bible and even if I get stuff out of context sometimes, overall believers have the wherewithal to understand God's word and unbelievers don't. And when I point to my knowledge and the history of theology IT OUGHT TO BE RESPECTED. It's not mindless bragging. So thanks but no thanks.

Funny how the unbelievers got it right and you got it wrong there. And that's like, one of the more basic verses out there.But we have to trust you on the "complex interpretations."

Well, it doesn't say that. After being so blatantly, demonstrably wrong in the first place, it might behoove you to throttle back the arrogance a notch or two.Maybe He wasn't refering to broader situations and maybe He was. There is no justification in the text for the position that you and Got Questions are taking.

You don't know how to read the Bible, sorry.

Turns out I wasn't wrong.

I quoted it right to you. There's no excuse for your denial.

Quote all you like, you don't know how to read it.

Welcome back, "Faith Classic."Of course your ego would not allow you to admit you were wrong for very long. But Faith's Kenosis was refreshing to see, even if it only lasted a single, abbreviated post. Go ahead and have the last word if you like. You being so wrong, yet seeping arrogance from your every pore is off topic, and I won't respond back.

It's unbelievers who are the arrogant ones who think they can better understand God's word against the entire history of the Church. THAT is the real arrogance here.

You're just twisting it.

The truth is the truth, no matter how much you deny it, twist it or lie about it.

Again, you are, like Jar, merely bragging about how safe you are with guns. Do you get the irony of protesting that you're not really bragging about how safe you are with guns by bragging again about how safe you are with guns, that if everyone were more like you then there wouldn't be any accidental shootings?There are no perfect humans. This means no perfect plumbers, electricians, carpenters, doctors, drivers or gun owners. When you carry your weapons in public then you become a public menace. Is it impossible that neither you nor Jar could ever become mentally ill or despondent or depressed or violently angry or decrepit or mentally infirm, etc? Is it impossible that neither you nor Jar could ever be careless or make a mistake or drink too much or exercise poor judgment, etc? These are rhetorical questions. Except for the most conceitedly in denial, the answer is that you are both human and imperfect and of course these things are possible. Those people? You're one of those people. You all deny that arming yourselves presents any danger because, you brag, of how wonderful you are with guns and how important it is to be able to defend yourselves against criminals. Training and practice does not mean you are no longer imperfect human beings, and most people have much greater opinions of their abilities than are justified. Anyone who understands this and how dangerous guns are could not fail to conclude how wrong it is to place these instruments in people's hands. It's a recipe for disaster, as homicide and suicide statistics worldwide attest.Gun owners are far more likely to become suicide victims than to save their lives by defending themselves against criminals bent on murder. Their guns are far more likely to be used against themselves or their family or friends than against criminals. So you gun nuts are so determined to have your guns that you'd buy them on the black market if you couldn't obtain them legally? Wow! Rifles? I believe you and Jar's bragging has been about the handguns you all are toting, not rifles. Around 90% of murders are committed with handguns, as opposed to rifles and shotguns. Who views cars as a necessary evil? They're essential to the world economy, and they've become more and more safe over time, unlike guns which have become more and more deadly. If automated driving becomes an eventual reality then automobile deaths should drop dramatically by around 90% (Department of Transportation estimate as quoted in How autonomous vehicles could save lives). Most people get along fine without guns. At most only 30% of Americans own guns. And statistics tell us that gun ownership increases the risk of death by gun for the gun owner, his family, and his friends. What I actually think you ought to do is think rationally while considering the facts. Like others who have recently commented I am struck by the degree to which the religious are attracted to guns and the military.--Percy

So the Bible's message is that God wants us to carry guns?--Percy