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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Colbard writes:
Sorry but you are so wrong and deceived - but then again how could you possibly know that?
Sorry, but you are so wrong and deceived, but then again how could you possibly know that. Colbard writes:
Our destiny is dirt. Yours too. We're very egalitarian.
The same goes for the rest of you, sealing your own destinies by what you have sown.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Rodnas writes:
That seems like a tautology to me: "A box of Tinker Toys must contain the full potential for everything that can be built out of it." "The original life plasm of an evolutionary world must contain the full potential for all future developmental variations and for all subsequent evolutionary changes and modifications." Why wouldn't the box of chemicals contain the full potential for everything that can be made out of them without programming?
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Rodnas writes:
The components are the "program".
... the original genome had to contain all the components for it but it also had to have the program to make it happen. Rodnas writes:
But a box of chemicals will. Just try to stop a box of hydrogen and oxygen molecules from self-assembling into (more complex) water molecules.
A bunch of parts in a toy box will not become a toy until someone, reading the instructions, assembles them. Rodnas writes:
How do you distinguish the instructions from the components? Are the instructions somehow "written" on the molecules? What is the ink?
The program contained all the instructions....
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Rodnas writes:
But nobody has ever been able to demonstrate that that is true.
Chemistry does nor require a code but biochemistry does, that's is the fundamental difference and a code requires a programmer. Rodnas writes:
Of course you don't. Nobody does. I have no idea how anything was programmed; But that's the whole point, isn't it? If you knew how it was programmed, it would be science and not religion. If you knew how it was programmed, it could be taught in school. But since neither you nor anybody else knows how it was programmed, it should only be taught in church.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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ggirard writes:
There is no theory of creationism. There isn't even a testable hypothesis.
The theories of evolution and creationism aren’t mutually exclusive.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Davidjay writes:
That includes you.
... no one gets away with anything with the Lord.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
You seem to be suggesting that creationism is "real" science and that evolution is a religion. Is that right? Only when filtered through your religion does evidence contradict creation. In reality it all agrees.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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creation writes:
So you're saying that religion is a bad thing and should be avoided. Bingo, Ringo.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
If you can show that that is being done, by all means do so. No creationist has ever succeeded in doing it before, so you have your work cut out for you. When science pawns it's God awful silly made up fables on us as if it was actual knowledge or science, that is deceptive and vile and bad. But if you're just going to make empty accusations, all you're doing is being deceptive and vile and bad.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
You're the one who's playing catch-up here. You're the one who has to show that hundreds of years of work by thousands of scientists is wrong. Unless you show some basis other than belief you must wear it. Or are you just working on a schoolboy homework assignment where you have to make a certain number of inane posts to get your gold star?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
Nobody ever said that science could never be wrong. The beauty of science is that it's self-correcting. Scientists are continuously looking for errors and fixing them. Here is an example in news of science being wrong Creationists, on the other hand, are still clinging to the same mistakes they made fifty years ago. That's dishonest.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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creation writes:
Creationism has been busted. Didn't you get the memo? It's just dishonest to pretend that it has anything to offer.
Being unable to deny getting busted is not honesty. creation writes:
Science corrects itself. Creationism has never succeeded in showing any flaws. All creationists ever show is that they don't understand the model. Patching up areas in a faulty model that are shown to be wrong is not self correcting. If you think the model is flawed, pick a topic and discuss it in depth. You might learn something. So far, all you've done is parrot creationist rhetoric that has been refuted a thousand times.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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creation writes:
No, creationISM is a contempt for science - which you have admitted to having - and the attempt to prove that science is wrong. It has always failed to do so. Creationism is the belief in God creating everything. You should not confuse some historical attempts at explaining how the evidences fit with a creation, with creation itself. The belief in a creator is not creationISM unless it sets itself in opposition to science.
creation writes:
Your approach on this forum has been to parrot Points Refuted A Thousand Times. You have never made an attempt to seriously discuss how stupid those points are. I have suggested to you several times that you should pick one topic and discuss it. This running around from topic to topic and blathering nonsense isn't impressing amybody - except maybe your teachers. My approach has been more one of looking at the real premises and fundamental core beliefs that are used in origin sciences.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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creation writes:
That's what I'm telling you. Pick an issue. Address that issue. Read the responses. Reply to the responses.
You have not even really addressed the issues let alone offered anything to refute. creation writes:
But they don't have the ability. You can't question something intelligently if you don't understand it - and you clearly don't understand page one of your elementary school science book. Creation believers have the right and duty to question whacked out worldly wise men making weird and baseless anti creation claims. Your complaints are very shallow. Dig deeper.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
You're the one who claims that science is wrong. You pick a topic and refute it. Empty blather aside, feel free to post some point that you can actually support and discuss.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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