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ringo
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Message 931 of 1482 (840740)
10-03-2018 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 929 by ICANT
10-03-2018 5:39 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
I did not define anything, I gave the dictionary definition.
You said, "We define it as infinite or unending." Doesn't "we" include you?
And the dictionary defines eternity as infinite or unending time. I thought you said that time doesn't exist.
But clearly you don't see the irony. I was making a joke about trying to define something that is, "by definition", indefinite.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 932 of 1482 (840743)
10-03-2018 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 930 by ICANT
10-03-2018 5:45 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
Actually God used the Hebrew words that said I exist that I exist.
What does that have to do with what I said?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ICANT
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Message 933 of 1482 (840753)
10-04-2018 12:15 AM
Reply to: Message 932 by ringo
10-03-2018 6:08 PM


Re: Creation
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
What does that have to do with what I said?
Didn't you ask about God's use of words?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 934 of 1482 (840754)
10-04-2018 12:27 AM
Reply to: Message 931 by ringo
10-03-2018 5:59 PM


Re: Creation
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
I thought you said that time doesn't exist.
That is correct. Time does not exist. There is existence. There are events that take place in that existence. There is existence between those events. The duration of that existence is what we measure with our concept of time.
Since you have time confused with existence I don't expect you to understand what I have said. You want to take time and measure time with it.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 935 of 1482 (840783)
10-04-2018 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 933 by ICANT
10-04-2018 12:15 AM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
Didn't you ask about God's use of words?
I asked what God has to do with our definitions of words.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 936 of 1482 (840786)
10-04-2018 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 934 by ICANT
10-04-2018 12:27 AM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
There is existence. There are events that take place in that existence.
Existence is not a thing; it's a property of things. Like red is not a thing. You can't have a big bag of red. Red might be a property of what's in the bag but red itself is not a thing. And you can not have a bag of existence. What you have in the bag may or may not have the property of existence - it may or may not exist - but you can't say it "is" existence.
ICANT writes:
Since you have time confused with existence I don't expect you to understand what I have said.
Since you have existence confused with things that exist, I don't expect you to make any sense.
ICANT writes:
You want to take time and measure time with it.
Well, that's how we measure anything. We measure distance with distance, comparing an unknown distance - e.g. the length of a two-by-four - with a known distance - e.g. the length of a yardstick. We measure an unknown time with a known time - e.g. the period of a pendulum's swing.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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creation
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Message 937 of 1482 (840818)
10-04-2018 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 928 by ICANT
10-03-2018 5:02 PM


Re: Creation
You cannot say duration (the way time exists and is woven with space) is the same everywhere in the universe, sorry. Prove it.
As for your claim there is no time..ha.
I don't think you know what time is, and cannot wave it away as being merely a construct of the mind of man. How long does it take for a squirrel to cross a road or a bird to migrate? Time is not a figment or creation of our mind it is real.

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creation
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Message 938 of 1482 (840819)
10-04-2018 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 927 by ringo
10-03-2018 12:32 PM


Re: Creation
Speak for yourself when you say 'we' define....not everyone accepts your religious definition attempts.

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creation
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Message 939 of 1482 (840832)
10-04-2018 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 427 by ringo
01-29-2018 10:59 AM


Re: days and dates
Whatever some Hebrews may have thought to try and envision what God said about the universe is of no great import.
There was water out beyond where the stars are. That water came via some sort of window of heaven to earth, many feel. God's science is so far above man's it is ridiculous.

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creation
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Message 940 of 1482 (840833)
10-04-2018 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 426 by ringo
01-29-2018 10:54 AM


Re: Creation
If Adam were to have split an atom, it would have likely involved more than current science is aware of.
The way God's voice works on atoms and makes them behave, is beyond manscience.
How the spiritual interacts with atoms is not known by science. How atoms may interact with the spiritual and some different time and space and whatever else we don't know about that may be out there, science doesn't know.
In the origin issues debate we must ask...what the heck DO they know!?

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 941 of 1482 (840840)
10-04-2018 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 938 by creation
10-04-2018 3:12 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
Speak for yourself when you say 'we' define....not everyone accepts your religious definition attempts.
I'm only speaking for those of "us" who do. If you want to make up your own definitions, "we" can't stop you, but don' t expect to be taken seriously either.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Taq
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Message 942 of 1482 (840841)
10-04-2018 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 928 by ICANT
10-03-2018 5:02 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
Time is a concept of mankind to measure the duration between events in eternity. It is based on the duration of the earth making 1 complete revolution in relation to the sun. Mankind divided the duration of that revolution into 24 hours, each hour, divided into 60 minutes and each minute into 60 seconds etc..
"The second is the duration of 9 192 631 770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium 133 atom."
International System of Units from NIST
You are simply wrong on this point.
You also have the problem of entropy. If time didn't exist then entropy would not exist. If entropy doesn't exist then biochemistry stops working. According to your own claims you shouldn't be alive right now.
I did not say anything about decay. The periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium-133 does not keep in perfect sync with the rotation of the earth. It is close but not perfect and that is the reason for leap seconds.
Atomic clocks are not kept in sync with anything. They tick at a specific rate because of the most basic physical laws, not because the Earth has a specific rotational velocity.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 943 of 1482 (840842)
10-04-2018 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 939 by creation
10-04-2018 3:41 PM


Re: days and dates
creation writes:
Whatever some Hebrews may have thought to try and envision what God said about the universe is of no great import.
The creationists say it is, so you can argue with them.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 944 of 1482 (840843)
10-04-2018 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 940 by creation
10-04-2018 3:45 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
In the origin issues debate we must ask...what the heck DO they know!?
So far, you haven't demonstrated that you know anything. Pick a topic and stick to it.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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creation
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Posts: 654
Joined: 01-22-2017


Message 945 of 1482 (840852)
10-04-2018 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 944 by ringo
10-04-2018 4:14 PM


Re: Creation
How about creation? That is the topic after all. I am telling you that science cannot begin to cover it. Yet they make belligerent origin claims. That is criminally insane.

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