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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
So forget about the stars and just look at the dozens of correlations here on earth. Isn't time the same for all of them? How do you explain that lake varves in Japan and ice cores in Greenland and tree rings in the US are all in agreement? What is it that skews the three different measurements in three different places around the world by exactly the same amount? Be specific. The correlations on earth all are based on present nature. The stuff about the far universe is all based on time being the same there also. Yes distances to stars also is based on this.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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creation writes:
We can see lake varves forming. We can see ice layers forming. We can count them as they form. There is no assumption about the deposition rate. Easy. When you assume slow deposition or growth for several items, naturally you get old ages. And what do tree rings have to do with deposition rates? They're completely independent of lake varves and ice layers - and lake varves are completely independent of ice layers. So why do they give the same answers? You should think before you try to give "easy" answers. Scientists have put in thousands of hours studying these things. A schoolboy is not going to refute them with "easy" answers.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
There is no evidence of a "former nature". You can't just make things up to suit your beliefs. Yes, as we can watch trees grow. Too bad for you that has absolutely zero to do with how layers were deposited or trees grew in the former nature.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
Did the businessmen just memorize all of their numbers? In fact, there seems to be no reason to assume that man even had any need to write at all in that pre flood/nature change world.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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creation writes:
And yet the Egyptians didn't write about "the Flood" at all - just as if it didn't happen at all. We have the hieroglyphics and they are from the earliest civilization pretty well after the flood.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
Nobody has ever been able to show that there was a "former nature". It's a fairy tale, like Santa's workshop at the North Pole. You see squat in the former nature....And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
That's dishonest. In real life you don't demand that everything be proven to be the same. You understand that the bus stop will be in the same place as yesterday. You understand that the bus will go to the same places as it did yesterday. If something changes - e.g. the bus route or schedule - you expect evidence to show the changes; you expect new route maps and published schedules. Or show nature was the same. You wouldn't expect the bus company to publish a new schedule every day saying, "Same as yesterday". So why aren't you honest about science? Why do you demand that science document sameness when everywhere else we document only changes. So why don't you be honest and document the changes that you claim?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
The fact that NO creationist has been able to explain those phenomena says something about the viability of the YEC scenario. The fact that creationists make little or no effort to test their preconceived notions is also telling. ... just because I can't explain a given phenomenon says nothing about what really happened.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
That was in the "Creation" thread. Your verses showed that a 360-day calendar may have been used. That has nothing to do with the actual length of a year. I did give links to show the prophetic/Gen/Revelation years as being 360 days.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
I like the one where Rumpelstiltskin spun straw into gold. Noah sent out a bird looking for trees after the flood. A week later...no trees. Again, another bird was sent...voila..fresh leaf from a tree. That is fast growing!In the garden of Eden, God planted stuff. The same week man ate fruit from trees. That is fast. And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
And it doesn't say anything about nature changing. What the bible says about Noah, is a record of His life. It goes to evidence of what things were like in those days.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
The Flood was an impossible event, not a "change in nature".
Since what is described is impossible in this nature and a big change occurred, you are wrong. creation writes:
Name "changes in nature" that happened in the Bible before the flood and after. Then give evidence that they happened in reality. We have many details from before and after and they contrast starkly.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
You're wrong about that too. No surprises there. You seem to be as ignorant of the Bible as you are about everything else. The changes came in the days of Peleg, well after the flood.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
Even if those lifespans were true, what has that got to do with changes in nature?
If you look at the life span changes, it is in the days of Peleg that we see the graph change. creation writes:
Trees never "grew fast". If we look at Noah after the flood, trees still grew fast.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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creation writes:
There's no evidence that anybody ever did.
In this nature we do not live 1000 years. creation writes:
There is no evidence that they ever did. You may not declare trees never used to grow fast....And our geese will blot out the sun.
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