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ringo
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Message 959 of 1482 (840898)
10-05-2018 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 947 by creation
10-04-2018 6:15 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
God is not in your little group or anyone who knows a thing about the creation debate. So use words however you like in your cult.
Do you think your God is impressed by you flaunting your ignorance? Pick a topic and discuss it.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 960 of 1482 (840899)
10-05-2018 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 945 by creation
10-04-2018 6:09 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
I am telling you that science cannot begin to cover it. Yet they make belligerent origin claims.
You're just making an empty claim. You need to show that "science cannot begin to cover it." Show us something specific that science has failed to cover. Then, when people show you that you are wrong, continue to back up your point.
Edited by ringo, : No reason given.
Edited by ringo, : No reason given.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 964 of 1482 (840906)
10-05-2018 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 950 by ICANT
10-05-2018 12:28 AM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
Red has to be a substance for me to put red in the bag....
But of course red isn't a substance. Go to the hardware store and ask for some red. They'll look at you like you're an idiot. Red is not a substance.
ICANT writes:
I could pour some red paint in the bag and the inside of the bag would be red. If there was a piece of wood in the bag it would get red paint on it.
The paint would have the property red. The wood would have the property red. Red is a property of things. It is not a thing.
ICANT writes:
I hope that helps you understand what existence is.
It's pretty clear that you don't understand. I'm not hoping to help you understand anything. I'm just hoping to clarify your nonsense for anybody else who is reading this.
ICANT writes:
I hope that helps you understand what existence is. It is the opposite of an absence of anything.
The opposite of absence is presence. Both absence and presence are properties of things. They are not things themselves. You can't have a bag of absence. You can't have a bag of presence.
The opposite of existence is non-existence. They do not coincide exactly with presence and absence. Something that exists can be either present or absent. Something that does not exist is neither absent nor present.
ICANT writes:
ringo writes:
We measure distance with distance,
How do you accomplish that?
I told you. We compare known distances with unknown distances, like an unknown length of two-by-four with a known length of yardstick.
ICANT writes:
ringo writes:
We measure an unknown time with a known time
Please explain that statement.
I did. We compare an unknown time, say the time it takes to run 100 meters, with a known time, say the time it takes a one-meter-long pendulum to make one swing.
All measurement is relative to some "standard".
ICANT writes:
But please tell me how you measure time. I use a watch.
You answered your own question.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 965 of 1482 (840907)
10-05-2018 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 951 by ICANT
10-05-2018 12:37 AM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
I replied with God definition of eternity which is "I exist that I exist"
That's your statement, not God's.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 966 of 1482 (840911)
10-05-2018 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 961 by creation
10-05-2018 11:53 AM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
Science doesn't cover the spiritual.
It doesn't cover pixies either. Show us evidence that pixies exist and science will cover them. Show us some evidence that "the spiritual" exists and science will cover it. (You should probably start a new topic for that.)
creation writes:
It doesn't cover what time is like in deep space.
Sure it does. You might not understand the answers but science has them. (At least, science is actively looking for the answers.) You might not like the answers but that doesn't mean science doesn't have them.
creation writes:
It doesn't cover what the laws and nature on earth was after creation...
Sure it does. According to all of the evidence, the laws were the same as they are now. You might want to fantasize that the laws were different to accommodate your creation fairy tale, but that doesn't mean that science doesn't cover it.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 981 of 1482 (840991)
10-06-2018 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 969 by creation
10-05-2018 11:17 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
You have shown no evidence that the laws on earth were the same.
Do we have to show evidence that the sun rises every day? If you think it doesn't, you're the one who has to show evidence.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 982 of 1482 (840992)
10-06-2018 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 977 by ICANT
10-06-2018 1:57 AM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
Actually the clerk would ask red what?
Exactly. Because red is not a thing. It's a property of things. There has to be a "what" to have the property of red. There is no free-range red.
ICANT writes:
Actually there has to be red pigment put in the base paint to make it red.
So red is a substance.
No. Pigment is a substance, which sometimes has the property of red.
ICANT writes:
You can be absent from EvC for a period of duration then you could return and you would be present. But you existed all the duration.
That's what I said. But you said in Message 950, "I hope that helps you understand what existence is. It is the opposite of an absence of anything." That's wrong. Absence is not necessarily non-existence.
ICANT writes:
I would not try to measure the distance from my house to Miami with a yardstick. Not even my tape.
It doesn't matter what tool you use. The point is that you compare a known length to an unknown length. That's what measurement is.
ICANT writes:
How am I supposed to figure out the duration it takes a one meter pendulum to make one swing.
You measure time in pendulum swings. If A takes 10 pendulum swings to run 100 meters and B takes 11 pendulum swings to run 100 meters, then A ran faster.
ICANT writes:
But actually my clock won't measure time.
It will measure the duration between events.
For the purpose of this discussion, that's what time is. If you can't understand the grade-school mathematics of measurement, you certainly can't understand the space-time continuum.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 990 of 1482 (841065)
10-07-2018 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 984 by ICANT
10-07-2018 1:06 AM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
Where did the red ochres get their red from.
They didn't "get" red from anywhere because red is not a thing that can be got. They appear red because they reflect light in the part of the spectrum that our eyes and brains call "red". Different substances appear as different colors because their different chemical structures reflect different wavelengths of light. Shine a different wavelength on it and it will no longer appear red, so there can not be any inherent red thing in it.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 991 of 1482 (841066)
10-07-2018 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 985 by ICANT
10-07-2018 1:17 AM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
What is the duration of a day and what determines the length of that duration?
That depends on how you define "day". Day is not a standard unit of time.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 998 of 1482 (841157)
10-08-2018 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 997 by ICANT
10-08-2018 3:02 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
If it is all in my eye seeing the red in the red ochres how do they make red dye out of red ochres that can make a white piece of cloth look like it is red?
As I said, under different lighting conditions it won't always appear as red. Shine a red light on a white coth and your eye/brain will see the same red. There is no "red" in the cloth. "Red" is the length of the light wave, a property of the light.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1000 of 1482 (841160)
10-08-2018 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 999 by Tanypteryx
10-08-2018 4:30 PM


Re: Creation
Blonde joke:
ICANT says to his blonde assistant, "We need to measure the height of this flagpole but I can't figure out how to get up there."
The blonde takes a wrench, undoes a couple of bolts and lays the flagpole down on the ground. Then she takes a tape measure, stretches it out and announces, "Fourteen feet and eight inches."
ICANT stands there shaking his head, "Typical blonde. I ask her for the height and she gives me the length."

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1007 of 1482 (841209)
10-09-2018 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 1004 by ICANT
10-08-2018 8:26 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
I prefer God's definition found in Genesis 1:5.
There are two definitions in that verse:
1. The light portion.
2. The sum of the light and dark portions.
So "God's definition" is ambiguous. We have to be careful when the Bible talks about a "day".

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1023 of 1482 (841260)
10-10-2018 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1009 by ICANT
10-09-2018 6:13 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
So what gives? I thought the red light shining on the cloth would make it look as red as the red ochres made into dye and applied would.
That's the point. The red in the lens is not inherently "red". The lens transmits the red wavelengths of the white light that you shine into it. When those red wavelengths hit a white sheet, it reflects back some of them. That shows that the colour of the sheet is determined by the light that it reflects. If the sheet was inherently "white", how could red light make it look pink?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1024 of 1482 (841262)
10-10-2018 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1013 by ICANT
10-09-2018 7:18 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
That means she would have to loosen 4 nuts to be able to remove and lay the flag pole down.
I described an actual flagpole.
ICANT writes:
Now if you used an 18' pole the tape would be hard to control at full height.
Which is why the woman did it the easy way.
The point of the story is that length and height are the same thing. We can put the x, y and z dimensions of a 3D object in any order of length, height and width. I brought it up because you seem to be very confused about measurement.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1025 of 1482 (841263)
10-10-2018 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1013 by ICANT
10-09-2018 7:18 PM


Re: Creation
duplicate
Edited by ringo, : Wifi acting up.

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