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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
Do you think your God is impressed by you flaunting your ignorance? Pick a topic and discuss it. God is not in your little group or anyone who knows a thing about the creation debate. So use words however you like in your cult.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
You're just making an empty claim. You need to show that "science cannot begin to cover it." Show us something specific that science has failed to cover. Then, when people show you that you are wrong, continue to back up your point. I am telling you that science cannot begin to cover it. Yet they make belligerent origin claims. Edited by ringo, : No reason given. Edited by ringo, : No reason given.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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ICANT writes:
But of course red isn't a substance. Go to the hardware store and ask for some red. They'll look at you like you're an idiot. Red is not a substance.
Red has to be a substance for me to put red in the bag.... ICANT writes:
The paint would have the property red. The wood would have the property red. Red is a property of things. It is not a thing.
I could pour some red paint in the bag and the inside of the bag would be red. If there was a piece of wood in the bag it would get red paint on it. ICANT writes:
It's pretty clear that you don't understand. I'm not hoping to help you understand anything. I'm just hoping to clarify your nonsense for anybody else who is reading this.
I hope that helps you understand what existence is. ICANT writes:
The opposite of absence is presence. Both absence and presence are properties of things. They are not things themselves. You can't have a bag of absence. You can't have a bag of presence. I hope that helps you understand what existence is. It is the opposite of an absence of anything. The opposite of existence is non-existence. They do not coincide exactly with presence and absence. Something that exists can be either present or absent. Something that does not exist is neither absent nor present.
ICANT writes:
I told you. We compare known distances with unknown distances, like an unknown length of two-by-four with a known length of yardstick.
ringo writes:
How do you accomplish that? We measure distance with distance, ICANT writes:
I did. We compare an unknown time, say the time it takes to run 100 meters, with a known time, say the time it takes a one-meter-long pendulum to make one swing. ringo writes:
Please explain that statement. We measure an unknown time with a known time All measurement is relative to some "standard".
ICANT writes:
You answered your own question. But please tell me how you measure time. I use a watch.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
That's your statement, not God's. I replied with God definition of eternity which is "I exist that I exist"And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
It doesn't cover pixies either. Show us evidence that pixies exist and science will cover them. Show us some evidence that "the spiritual" exists and science will cover it. (You should probably start a new topic for that.)
Science doesn't cover the spiritual. creation writes:
Sure it does. You might not understand the answers but science has them. (At least, science is actively looking for the answers.) You might not like the answers but that doesn't mean science doesn't have them.
It doesn't cover what time is like in deep space. creation writes:
Sure it does. According to all of the evidence, the laws were the same as they are now. You might want to fantasize that the laws were different to accommodate your creation fairy tale, but that doesn't mean that science doesn't cover it. It doesn't cover what the laws and nature on earth was after creation...And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
Do we have to show evidence that the sun rises every day? If you think it doesn't, you're the one who has to show evidence. You have shown no evidence that the laws on earth were the same.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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ICANT writes:
Exactly. Because red is not a thing. It's a property of things. There has to be a "what" to have the property of red. There is no free-range red.
Actually the clerk would ask red what? ICANT writes:
No. Pigment is a substance, which sometimes has the property of red.
Actually there has to be red pigment put in the base paint to make it red. So red is a substance. ICANT writes:
That's what I said. But you said in Message 950, "I hope that helps you understand what existence is. It is the opposite of an absence of anything." That's wrong. Absence is not necessarily non-existence.
You can be absent from EvC for a period of duration then you could return and you would be present. But you existed all the duration. ICANT writes:
It doesn't matter what tool you use. The point is that you compare a known length to an unknown length. That's what measurement is.
I would not try to measure the distance from my house to Miami with a yardstick. Not even my tape. ICANT writes:
You measure time in pendulum swings. If A takes 10 pendulum swings to run 100 meters and B takes 11 pendulum swings to run 100 meters, then A ran faster.
How am I supposed to figure out the duration it takes a one meter pendulum to make one swing. ICANT writes:
For the purpose of this discussion, that's what time is. If you can't understand the grade-school mathematics of measurement, you certainly can't understand the space-time continuum. But actually my clock won't measure time. It will measure the duration between events.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
They didn't "get" red from anywhere because red is not a thing that can be got. They appear red because they reflect light in the part of the spectrum that our eyes and brains call "red". Different substances appear as different colors because their different chemical structures reflect different wavelengths of light. Shine a different wavelength on it and it will no longer appear red, so there can not be any inherent red thing in it. Where did the red ochres get their red from.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
That depends on how you define "day". Day is not a standard unit of time. What is the duration of a day and what determines the length of that duration?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
As I said, under different lighting conditions it won't always appear as red. Shine a red light on a white coth and your eye/brain will see the same red. There is no "red" in the cloth. "Red" is the length of the light wave, a property of the light. If it is all in my eye seeing the red in the red ochres how do they make red dye out of red ochres that can make a white piece of cloth look like it is red?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Blonde joke:
ICANT says to his blonde assistant, "We need to measure the height of this flagpole but I can't figure out how to get up there." The blonde takes a wrench, undoes a couple of bolts and lays the flagpole down on the ground. Then she takes a tape measure, stretches it out and announces, "Fourteen feet and eight inches." ICANT stands there shaking his head, "Typical blonde. I ask her for the height and she gives me the length."And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
There are two definitions in that verse:
I prefer God's definition found in Genesis 1:5.1. The light portion. So "God's definition" is ambiguous. We have to be careful when the Bible talks about a "day".2. The sum of the light and dark portions. And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
That's the point. The red in the lens is not inherently "red". The lens transmits the red wavelengths of the white light that you shine into it. When those red wavelengths hit a white sheet, it reflects back some of them. That shows that the colour of the sheet is determined by the light that it reflects. If the sheet was inherently "white", how could red light make it look pink? So what gives? I thought the red light shining on the cloth would make it look as red as the red ochres made into dye and applied would.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
I described an actual flagpole.
That means she would have to loosen 4 nuts to be able to remove and lay the flag pole down. ICANT writes:
Which is why the woman did it the easy way. Now if you used an 18' pole the tape would be hard to control at full height. The point of the story is that length and height are the same thing. We can put the x, y and z dimensions of a 3D object in any order of length, height and width. I brought it up because you seem to be very confused about measurement.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
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Edited by ringo, : Wifi acting up.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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