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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
That's like the old joke about the teacher who graded papers by throwing them down the stairs. Possibilities are Hanukkah, Christmas, Purim and February 3rd, 25th and May 14th. Or anything before or after or in between.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
We've only known to fly for a hundred years or so. We've only known how to go to the moon for fifty years or so. We've only known about nuclear energy for a hundred years or so. We've only known about electricity for a couple of hundred years. Funny you think this mere empty assertion is "demonstrable" truth, or that a hundred years means something. So the length of time that we've known something has nothing to do with whether it's true or not.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Have you ever read The Lord of the Rings? It has a lot of genealogies, to rival the Bible. All made up. Nobody could invent the particular genealogies in Genesis.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
But as I pointed out in your quotes from 2012, there is no confirmation from outside the Bible. Even if the Bible was internally consistent - and it is not - there's still no reason to think that it's accurate without outside support. Any book can be called 'inerrant" if you don't compare it with the facts.
Faith will never change her mind as her belief includes inerrancy of scripture.. Phat writes:
Clearly not. In other threads just recently, Faith has rejected the word-for-word reading in favour of the twisted logic of apologists. ..in a word for word way.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
There's nothing "supposed" about it. There's evidence. You lose that battle every time you bring it up. Yeah but in this case it's about millions of years of supposed history that didn't exist and is based on wild conjectures that can't ever come up to the level of proof of the other sciences behind the phenomena you mention.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Have you read them? In what way do they not rival the Bible? they don't rival the Bible.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Nonsense. The reality of the character has nothing, nothing, nothing to do with what the words say. a word for word reading and interpretation of what a character says is meaningless if you don't believe that the character is real...And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
That reflects the limits of your imagination more than anything else. It is the most magnificent glorious message of love from God to man imaginable.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Nonsense. You can have words without characters. Do you think the U.S. Constitution or the Declaration of Independence or the Magna Carta is "empty" just because they're not being recited by Long John Silver?
Without characters to reflect the words, words are empty. Phat writes:
That would be Gladiator.
In the movie Braveheart, the following quote is uttered: Brothers! What we do in life echoes in eternity.. Phat writes:
Again, nonsense. The words would be just as inspiring written down, with no fictional character to verbalize them. Consider Thomas Paine's Common Sense, which did a lot to inspire the American Revolution. Often the words borrowed by the leader are as important as the leader himself.
The words themselves mean nothing without the encouragement and example modeled by a strong leader. Phat writes:
Nonsense. The early Church (see Ananias and Sapphira) did exactly that.
Nobody is simply going to sell all they have and follow an idea... Phat writes: ...unless they are idealistic and somewhat naive.quote: And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
That's the problem. Its never God thats the problem. When something good happens, you give God the credit but when something bad happens, you blame us.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
And I am not optimistic at all about some alien overlord whispering in people's ears to "save" humanity. Y'know why? Because it ain't workin'. Believers are not better people than unbelievers. I am not as optimistic about the human potential to autocorrect as you are. On the other hand, auto-correction is working.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Your own quotes say that God creates evil. How do you reconcile justice with evil? Faith says God is in everything that happens and that He can not act unjustly.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
That doesn't address the issue. You're saying that God is just all of the time and evil part of the time. That seems to imply that justice can be evil. That isn't a very attractive justice. By not twisting the word as you do and ignoring the sense in which it was used, as I clearly indicated.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Causing calamities is evil. the word "evil" in the King James is an old English usage which means calamity, not evil as in the devil's work.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Everybody has subjective experiences. All individual experiences are subjective.
That's largely because you have never had any subjective experiences....real or delusional. Phat writes:
Something happened (whether in reality or in your imagination). The error is in concluding, "It must be Zeus."
Granted I can admit that my experiences may have been perceived incorrectly...but they nevertheless happened. Phat writes:
No you didn't. You can not validate your own perceptions. I had enough of them to validate my confirmed biases.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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