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Percy
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Message 437 of 447 (841162)
10-08-2018 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 431 by ICANT
10-08-2018 1:22 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:

I missed this.

Percy writes:

Which no doubt you do.

I do not drink other than water or tea, I thought I made that perfectly clear.

Yeah, right, and your wife is perfect, and you're both like supermen when it comes to gun safety.

If you're going to make one ludicrous claim after another then how am I to separate the chaff from any wheat that might happen to be present, if any. Until you start making sense so that I can gain some sense of trust in what you say then I'm going to bet you're a wet drunk, which would explain why you say so many of the things you do.

--Percy


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Capt Stormfield
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Message 438 of 447 (841172)
10-08-2018 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 429 by ICANT
10-08-2018 12:35 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
My point was it does not matter the bad guys can get guns that will fire as many times as an ar15 whether guns are legal or not.

What you actually said was:

Why not make 10 and band them together. Then make another 80 or a hundred. That way you could fire a 110 times before you had to reload. But if you had someone reloading them for you it would mean you could shoot a lot more times.

Suggesting that a pickup load of homemade single shot shotguns, weighing hundreds of pounds, and accompanied by an accomplice of course, is in some way equivalent to a semi-automatic rifle that can be carried and reloaded on the run and hidden under a coat. You are spouting ignorant and dishonest bullshit. What does your buddy Jesus think about that?

Edited by Capt Stormfield, : typo


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Capt Stormfield
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Message 439 of 447 (841175)
10-08-2018 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 436 by Percy
10-08-2018 4:50 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
It's your funeral.

Sadly, it's usually a child who pays the price for this kind of irresponsibility. This man is an idiot, and if his gun owning friends are actually as incompetent as he is, then he has truly found a layer of bottom-feeding scum.

If you want, search for Sam Harris' description of how a responsible person (with a measurable probability of actually facing the situation this Walter Mitty wannabe dreams about) treats his firearms.

As someone who grew up in a culture of hunters, I have to point out to Icant that he is, put simply, viewed as an asshole by the people he imagines are his peers.


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Aussie
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Message 440 of 447 (841215)
10-09-2018 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 416 by ICANT
10-05-2018 11:21 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
But just think what everybody would have thought when Jesus reached down and picked up the head and set it in place and patted him on the head and said lets go.

The ear did not even register with them.

Your solution to the grisly violence that you would deliberately inflict on a fellow human, in deliberate disobedience to Jesus' wishes, is a magical cure? Really?

Gun violence is a serious issue in the US. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to have a better solution than magic. Because not a single gunshot wound...not one, is currently being cured by magic.


"...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"

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ICANT
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Message 441 of 447 (841225)
10-09-2018 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 440 by Aussie
10-09-2018 12:40 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Aussie,

Aussie writes:

Your solution to the grisly violence that you would deliberately inflict on a fellow human, in deliberate disobedience to Jesus' wishes, is a magical cure? Really?

It would have been a much more dramatic scene than cutting off an ear.
You forget Peter was protecting Jesus and I would have been doing the same even though He would not have needed any help.

But that does not have anything to do with me being able to own and bear arms which the Constitution gives me the right to do.

Aussie writes:

Gun violence is a serious issue in the US.

In 2016 we had:
40,000 motor vehicle-related deaths
39,000 people firearm-related deaths of which 22,018 were suicide.
64,000 people drug overdose-related deaths
62,000 men and 26,000 women died from alcohol related causes.
2,226 died from malnutrition.
44,193 suicide's 22,018 guns, 11855 suffocation, 6816 poison.

So the 22,018 firearm suicide's would have been a different form but would have taken place guns or no guns.

The 64,000 deaths from drug overdose is a much worse epidemic than gun deaths.

The 88,000 deaths due to alcohol related causes is a much worse epidemic than gun deaths.

The 18,671 suicide's by means other than guns tell you guns are not required.

But the biggest problem I see with those stats are the 2,226 that die from malnutrition. That is a disgrace in a country that throws away more food than many countries have for their total population. And is totally preventable without infringing on anyone's Constitutional rights. But then alcohol is not a constitutional right as well as drugs.

So why don't we hear a lot more about all these other problems. No we just got to take away everybody's guns and then there will be no gun deaths. That is a pipe dream. Gun deaths would probably triple if guns were outlawed.

OK get off the soap box ICANT.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Percy
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Message 442 of 447 (841229)
10-09-2018 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 441 by ICANT
10-09-2018 5:22 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:

So the 22,018 firearm suicide's would have been a different form but would have taken place guns or no guns.

Really? Given that the suicide rate in the US (rampant guns) is 13.7 per 100,000 people while in the UK (very few guns) it's 7.6, how do you conclude that?

But the biggest problem I see with those stats are the 2,226 that die from malnutrition. That is a disgrace in a country that throws away more food than many countries have for their total population. And is totally preventable without infringing on anyone's Constitutional rights.

So you're in favor of increased funding for welfare and social services?

Gun deaths would probably triple if guns were outlawed.

Then why are gun death rates the lowest in states with the lowest gun ownership rates? Why did the gun death rate decline in Australia in the years after they outlawed, bought back, and confiscated guns?

--Percy


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Porkncheese
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Message 443 of 447 (841442)
10-12-2018 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 308 by jar
09-30-2018 8:27 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
U said... "I really have no respect for that position and argument"

I wasn't making an argument just explaining how guns are controlled in Australia

Our governments position works
Its been over 21 years since the last mass shooting here. 21 years


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Porkncheese
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Message 444 of 447 (841443)
10-12-2018 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 319 by ICANT
09-30-2018 4:28 PM


Re: Crazy gun laws
Fair enough. Its just the politicians then
U can't get 38 out of 50 states to vote on it. That's sad man
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ICANT
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Message 445 of 447 (841483)
10-13-2018 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 444 by Porkncheese
10-12-2018 10:46 PM


Re: Crazy gun laws
Hi Porkncheese,

My first post to you so welcome to EvC.

Porkncheese writes:

U can't get 38 out of 50 states to vote on it. That's sad man

That is just the way the founders of our country setup our government. We are a Republic not a democracy as many claim.

Each state has 2 senators regardless of the population of the state which makes each state have equal say in the government.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 446 of 447 (841488)
10-13-2018 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 442 by Percy
10-09-2018 6:24 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,

Percy writes:

Really? Given that the suicide rate in the US (rampant guns) is 13.7 per 100,000 people while in the UK (very few guns) it's 7.6, how do you conclude that?

People in the US are a lot different than the folks from the UK. I lived among those folks for 15 years where I could not have my guns. And I did not worry about somebody kicking my door in during the night.

People in the US are morally depraved, spoiled rotten and capable of doing anything. Also willing to do anything without even thinking about it. Everybody makes their own rules.

Percy writes:

So you're in favor of increased funding for welfare and social services?

I believe in workfare for those who are able to work. I also believe we should take care of those who can not help themselves.

Maybe that is because I have worked since I was 7 years old. I did not have an allowance like kids do today. If I wanted something I had to get it by working for whatever I could get to barter with. I have never been without a job since I was 14 unless I chose to be.

Percy writes:

Then why are gun death rates the lowest in states with the lowest gun ownership rates?

There are probably a lot more crooks and gangs in those areas.

Why does Chicago have the gun violence they have as they have some of the strictest gun laws anywhere?

Australia is 55 times the size of Florida and has a population of 4 million more that Florida. I would think the density of the population would have a lot to do with the death rates as it does in our large cities.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Percy
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Message 447 of 447 (841535)
10-14-2018 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 446 by ICANT
10-13-2018 4:31 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
What, no claims that you and your wife are superhuman, or that you're as good and fast a shot as a half century ago, or that you don't need a lockbox to keep your guns safe? I'd almost believe you wrote this while sober if you didn't go on to say yet more crazy stuff.

ICANT writes:

Percy writes:

Really? Given that the suicide rate in the US (rampant guns) is 13.7 per 100,000 people while in the UK (very few guns) it's 7.6, how do you conclude that?

People in the US are a lot different than the folks from the UK.

People in the US and the UK are pretty much the same. The only society more similar to us than the UK is Canada.

I lived among those folks for 15 years where I could not have my guns. And I did not worry about somebody kicking my door in during the night.

I've lived in the United States all my life, have never worried about somebody kicking my door in during the night, and nobody ever has.

People in the US are morally depraved, spoiled rotten and capable of doing anything. Also willing to do anything without even thinking about it. Everybody makes their own rules.

There you go saying nutty things again. People in the US are pretty much the same as in the UK.

So why don't you try again. The suicide rate in the US (rampant guns) is 13.7 per 100,000 people while in the UK (very few guns) it's 7.6. What explains this if not widespread gun availability in the US?

Percy writes:

But the biggest problem I see with those stats are the 2,226 that die from malnutrition. That is a disgrace in a country that throws away more food than many countries have for their total population. And is totally preventable without infringing on anyone's Constitutional rights.

So you're in favor of increased funding for welfare and social services?

I believe in workfare for those who are able to work. I also believe we should take care of those who can not help themselves.

So how are you going to prevent those 2,226 deaths from malnutrition? You don't really believe your workfare answer, do you, that sending people dying from malnutrition to work is going to solve the problem, so are you in favor of increased funding for welfare and social services?

Maybe that is because I have worked since I was 7 years old. I did not have an allowance like kids do today. If I wanted something I had to get it by working for whatever I could get to barter with. I have never been without a job since I was 14 unless I chose to be.

So that's your answer? Everyone should be more like you? What if they're not like you, then what? You're not going to do nothing, right? You called it a disgrace that 2,226 people die from malnutrition. What are you going to do besides tell them, "Be more like me."

Percy writes:

Then why are gun death rates the lowest in states with the lowest gun ownership rates?

There are probably a lot more crooks and gangs in those areas.

Bzzzt - wrong again. Check out this graph showing the correlation between gun death rates and gun ownership rates:

Why does Chicago have the gun violence they have as they have some of the strictest gun laws anywhere?

There are two problems with this claim. First, it is false. Chicago used to have very strict gun laws, but conservative politicians have chipped away at these laws. You don't even need to get a permit anymore. Second, Chicago is surrounded by jurisdictions with lax gun control laws. A ten minute drive takes you outside the city limits where you can buy all the guns you like.

Australia is 55 times the size of Florida and has a population of 4 million more that Florida. I would think the density of the population would have a lot to do with the death rates as it does in our large cities.

Most of Australia is virtually empty. Care to try again? Here's a population map:

You said stuff both crazy and wrong. Could I suggest that a bit of research beats blowing smoke every time?

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Minor edit final paragraph.


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