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Message 1111 of 1323 (841180)
10-09-2018 12:09 AM
Reply to: Message 1108 by JonF
10-06-2018 1:55 PM


Re: nature of time
Feel free to show a source. But since no distance to the SN is known, it is silly to try and use a distance from it!!!!
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Message 1112 of 1323 (841206)
10-09-2018 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 1111 by creation
10-09-2018 12:09 AM


Re: nature of time
Feel free to show a source.

SN1987A
A Geometric Determination of the Distance to SN 1987A and the LMC

And many, many, many more.

But since no distance to the SN is known

Ah, the invincible ignorance of the fundy. Knowing absolutely nothing about the subject you pontificate as if you were the expert.

You aren't.


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Message 1113 of 1323 (841304)
10-11-2018 9:22 AM
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10-09-2018 9:17 AM


Re: nature of time
From your link

"All methods, however,
are indirect in that they all depend on the calibration of other distance
indicators, and, therefore, have only a statistical value. Moreover, different
distance indicators appear to give discordant results that are not compatible
with each other, thus making the distance issue very slippery"

In layman terms this means all so called distances are circular religion. You lose.


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Message 1114 of 1323 (841318)
10-11-2018 12:05 PM
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10-11-2018 9:22 AM


Re: nature of time
In layman terms this means all so called distances are circular religion. You lose.

How ironic that a religious person doesn't know the definition of religion or winning.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 1115 of 1323 (841330)
10-11-2018 1:29 PM
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10-11-2018 9:22 AM


Re: nature of time
Learn to read. The paragraph following the one you quoted makes it clear that the paragraph you quoted refers to methods other than the one they used on SN1987A.

quote:
The presence of the famous circumstellar ring around SN 1987A has provided a unique opportunity to determine the distance to the LMC directly by using a purely geometric method: it consists in measuring the angular size of the ring from high resolution images and comparing it to the absolute size as estimated from the evolution of emission lines produced by the ring ionized gas (see e.g. [8, 1, 2]).

I did leave something out; the other method of directly measuring the distance to SN1987A. http://chem.tufts.edu/science/astronomy/sn1987a.html

Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

Edited by JonF, : No reason given.


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Message 1116 of 1323 (841379)
10-11-2018 11:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1114 by Tanypteryx
10-11-2018 12:05 PM


Re: nature of time
Yes. I do.
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Message 1117 of 1323 (841380)
10-11-2018 11:31 PM
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10-11-2018 1:29 PM


Re: nature of time
How can you claim time is the same in the radius line? Or any line!? That is just another way to try and graph time and space as a line that is supposed to be distance. perhaps you should change distance to 'apparent fishbowl based distance'
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Message 1118 of 1323 (841384)
10-11-2018 11:39 PM
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10-11-2018 11:31 PM


Re: nature of time
That is just another way to try and graph time and space as a line that is supposed to be distance.

Yep. And we know exactly how to piss off ignorant creationists. There's fewer and fewer of you though.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 1119 of 1323 (841386)
10-12-2018 1:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1116 by creation
10-11-2018 11:25 PM


Re: nature of time
Yes. I do.

Trust me, you are seriously mistaken. So far, everything you have written proves it.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 1120 of 1323 (841393)
10-12-2018 9:30 AM
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10-11-2018 11:31 PM


Re: nature of time
It doesn't matter if time differs on the radius line. Read the last link I gave.

And we have strong evidence that time is the same on the radius line, because several radioactive elements decayed at the same rate as they do on Earth..

http://www.esa.int/...y_of_titanium_powers_supernova_remnant
https://vdocuments.mx/...om-gamma-ray-line-observations.html


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Message 1121 of 1323 (841396)
10-12-2018 10:06 AM


O M G
I heard the other day that Christmas is over 2 months away.

But how do they know??

No one's ever been into the future before. We haven't even sent a probe one millisecond into the future!
Since we only know where we've physically been... the fishbowl ends at the present time. Predicting the future is extending our fishbowl!

Time could act differently 2 months from meow.
Time could act differently seconds from now!

Christmas could be tomorrow... it could be 10 years from now.
How can we know that time will act the same if we've never been there before? This is crazy talk, people. Wake up!!

Your religious belief that Christmas is 2 months away is nuts!

I'm buying presents right now.
For the next 10 Christmases.
Because I can only act within the fishbowl!!

What a loony.


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Message 1122 of 1323 (841403)
10-12-2018 11:34 AM


Creation reminds me of a Doobie Brothers song
But what a fool believes, he sees
No wise man has the power to reason away
What seems to be
Is always better than nothing
Than nothing at all

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

  
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Message 1123 of 1323 (841430)
10-12-2018 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1118 by Tanypteryx
10-11-2018 11:39 PM


Re: nature of time
You think you know.
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Message 1124 of 1323 (841431)
10-12-2018 5:47 PM
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10-12-2018 10:06 AM


Re: O M G
Christmas in the fishbowl comes in our time.
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Message 1125 of 1323 (841432)
10-12-2018 5:48 PM
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10-12-2018 9:30 AM


Re: nature of time
No. The decay happens/is seen only here. Here in our time. So just because something here takes X amount of time to decay does not mean it does there. You just believed it had to be that way for no real reason.
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