Okay. You have made this insinuation several times by now. Its time to call you on it. Which passage in the Bible blames someone besides Adam for the sinful act of Adam ?
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Romans 5:12 ''That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned. . ''.
Which humanist in world history do you think has achieved an equal amount of universal esteem for a high level of morality reputed of Jesus Christ ?
Joan of Arc
Mansoor Al-Hallaj
Thich Quang Duc
Martin Luther King
Socrates
Abraham Lincoln
Sikh Gurus
And a whole swath of others. If you want to argue who has the 'high level of morality', knock yourself out. Oh, and I left out copious individuals from pagan religions such as Egyptian or Greek mythology.
I do not read that passage the way you read it.
It says no one comes to the Father except through "Me". This "Me" is a Person.
No one comes to the Father except through "Me" may not equal "No one comes to the Father except through the religion of Christianity."
Well of course you read that differently. If it is one thing you have demonstrated is an uncanny ability to read things that everyone else in 2000 years of history of your faith have read another way.
Do I personally know what God will do in all conceivable situations human beings find themselves in ? No, I do not. Nor do I know all the ways in which a person may be written in the book of life.
Yet you continue to preach from your pulpit about the certainty of your world view. Ironic.
It says nothing about heaven in John 14:6.
And the phrase "My Father's house" I can demonstrate is not heaven.
It says no one comes to the Father except through Jesus - the "Me".
I interpret that to ultimately mean that if anyone ever comes to the Father it will have only been because of the "Me" of the Son of God - Jesus.
I am sorry, but that is a load of rubbish. 'My Father's House' suddenly doesn't mean heaven in your view? Does god keep a summer home in the crab nebula?
The last time I saw this many cartwheels in sequence was when I went to see Cirque de Soleil.
The answer is simple and I did speak to this without mentioning your tag.
Satan was left over from a previous order of things. He was left over from a previous world. And God allowed him to be there in that situation.
He was 'left over'? Really? That is your best answer after all this? And your logic is 'god allowed him to be there'.
Are you seriously telling me that your philosophy states that a moral, loving, omnipotent being WILLFULLY decided to leave a malevolent, evil entity to freely roam the paradise he had just created?
I wrote that God placed man in a triangular situation.
One one side was God.
One one side was Satan.
And in the middle was Adam with a will to choose between the two.
Let me draw an analogy for you:
A parent has a child.
A parent had a previous child that was a serial killer.
The parent willfully allows the serial killer child to interact with the second child, knowing full well the capabilities and action of the serial killer child.
As an outsider, looking in on this, what impression do you think they might have of that parent?
God could have annihilated the rebellious creature, the revolting angel Daystar, unilaterally. He would not. God would not completely judge Satan unilaterally. For His own reasons He would not lower to be the Creator destroying the creature.
Yet your god had no qualms destroying millions of humans, including children during the flood. Or at Sodom and Gomorrah. Or the first born of Israel. No issues or compunction wiping all those individuals off the map.
But I do know that in the end Satan and the whole opposition party, via the cooperation of man, will be the eliminated forever.
Didn't you just state that god would not be the creator destroying the creature in your previous statement? Then how precisely can you now state unequivocally that satan and the whole 'opposition party' (whatever the heck that means) will be eliminated forever?
If you don't want to read through my writing then just don't. If you don't like my style or that I may be considering other's attention to my response, that is too bad.
These are not easy issues. And if you only want little diddly 25 word responses all the time then you are talking to the wrong Bible student.
No problem. Go try your attacks against Christ and the Scripture on someone else who will give you nice one or two liners as answers to your objections.
Prolixity1. Tediously prolonged; wordy: editing a prolix manuscript.
2. Tending to speak or write at excessive length. See Synonyms at wordy.
A common tactic by religious zealots: hoping to use a massive outflux on scripture and interpretation as a means to 'drown out' the opposition.
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