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ringo
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Message 1029 of 1482 (841272)
10-10-2018 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1027 by ICANT
10-10-2018 4:20 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
"In physics, a color is visible light with a specific wavelength. Black and white are not colors because they do not have specific wavelengths. Instead, white light contains all wavelengths of visible light. Black, on the other hand, is the absence of visible light."
That agrees with what I said. The pink colour of the sheet is caused by the reflected red wavelengths. When white light shines on the sheet, all wavelengths are reflected.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1031 of 1482 (841275)
10-10-2018 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1026 by ICANT
10-10-2018 4:12 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
I haven't seen a flag pole yet that was not fastened to something above ground that was anchored in the ground or the part of the pole was buried in the ground.
And I didn't say there was such a thing.
ICANT writes:
So you would need to give quite a bit more information.
I've told that joke many times and nobody but you has ever had any trouble understanding it. There's plenty of information.
ICANT writes:
I used one I am familiar with.
So did I.
ICANT writes:
You could measure that pole with a 25' tape with no problem.
How do you propose to line up the end of your tape measure with the top of the pole from 14' - 8" away?
ICANT writes:
I don't find that description of either.
What you fail to find doesn't change reality.
ICANT writes:
I am not so confused that I do not know that a rectangle box has length, width and height.
But you seem to be confused enough not to understand that the three dimensions are interchangeable. If I ask for a box that's 12" wide and 16" long, it doesn't matter if you make it 12" long and 16" wide instead. All I have to do is rotate it 90.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1041 of 1482 (841316)
10-11-2018 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 1034 by ICANT
10-10-2018 10:23 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
I used a light that had a red bulb and red lens to get the pink reflection on the white cloth. I can put the Red ochre on the white cloth and it will not cause the surrounding area to reflect pink. In fact white will begin at the edge of the red ochre.
Again, you're proving my point. It's only the light that is red and that is only because of its wavelength. Different wavelengths interact with our eyes differently, which is why we see different colors. Different wavelengths also interact differently with different substances, so we wouldn't expect the same red light to reflect in the same way from red ochre and from white cloth.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1042 of 1482 (841319)
10-11-2018 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1036 by ICANT
10-11-2018 12:04 AM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
2 bolts means the 14' 8" pole was supported in two directions.
No it doesn't. It means that the upper part of the pole was hinged. In Message 1014 JonF gave you the link Page Not Found - poletech which shows pretty clearly how it works.
In fact, in that example there is only one locking bolt, so she would only have had to remove one bolt.
ICANT writes:
But why bother taking the pole down.
In the joke, the ICANT character couldn't figure out how to measure the pole. Presumably he had already tried your way and it didn't work. Maybe he didn't have a stiff enough tape measure with him that day.
Again, the point of the joke is that he couldn't see any other point of view that wasn't already carved in stone in his brain. You're just reinforcing that point.
ICANT writes:
I would pull out about 10' of tape and run it up the pole until the tape was at the top of the pole. I would press the tape with my left hand 6' off the ground and pull out more tape that I could fold at the bottom of the pole. I would read the tape and announce the height of the pole to be 14' 8".
I asked how you would line up the end of your tape with the top of the pole. That's hard enough to do accurately from two feet away.
ICANT writes:
BTW Just so you know I can extend my tape 8' straight out from my body without it bending so there is no problem extending it 8' above my head.
Try doing that in the wind.
And again, in the joke, the ICANT character couldn't figure out how to do it. Everything he had tried had failed.
ICANT writes:
So rotate the Empire Building 90 degrees and tell me how long it is.
The Empire State Building is 424 feet long or wide on 34th st which ever suits you.
You point out the flaw in your own question. The length or width are whatever suits me. The dimensions are interchangeable. You have to specify more than "width" or 'length" if you want an accurate answer.
ICANT writes:
The depth is 187 feet on 5th Av....
In English, we would seldom use the word "depth" that way.
Edited by ringo, : No reason given.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1043 of 1482 (841320)
10-11-2018 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1038 by creation
10-11-2018 9:26 AM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
Looking at the sun rise now will not tell you how long a year used to be.
So how do you determine how long a year "used to be"?
Edited by ringo, : No reason given.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1049 of 1482 (841405)
10-12-2018 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 1044 by ICANT
10-11-2018 7:26 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
The human eye picks up the colors if the person is not color blind.
And the human eye works on light. If a certain wavelength of light is captured by the eye, it doesn't matter whether that light came from a red ochre pigment or a red light bulb. The same red is seen the same way. There is no "red" in the ochre or the light bulb. The red is the wavelength of the light - i.e. it is a property of the light.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1050 of 1482 (841407)
10-12-2018 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1045 by ICANT
10-11-2018 7:46 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
Then you should have used someone else's name as I am a contractor that drew my own blueprints.
I used your name because you're the one who doesn't understand measurement.
ICANT writes:
Then you have never built as many things as I have and made hundreds of those kind of measurements.
Nonsense. Nobody can line up a tape measure with the end of a pole accurately from fourteen feet away. Your eye needs to be orthogonal to the tip of the pole and the end of the tape measure.
ICANT writes:
If that fails just hang the 6' T bar over the top of the pole ....
There is no T bar in the story.
ICANT writes:
Neither the (width) length or depth are interchangeable with the height of the Empire State Building.
I didn't say they were. I said the length and width were interchangeable with each other.
But with a rectangular box, the height might well be interchangeable too. When you set it on its "bottom", the "length" is end-to-end. If you set it on "end" to sit on it, the "height" is what used to be the "length".
ICANT writes:
I take it you have never worked around a construction project.
Wrong again. I come from generations of carpenters. Many of them didn't understand much English but they understood measurement better than you do.
ICANT writes:
Pick out any cabinet in the kitchen and give me the width, height, and depth of that cabinet.
A cabinet does have depth. It's like a hole in the wall. Hollow objects have depth - the depth of the hollow.
The "depth" of the Empire State Building would be the depth of its basement(s) or the depth of its foundations, which are part of its overall height. For a solid object, the width or length would not be called "depth".

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1051 of 1482 (841408)
10-12-2018 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1046 by ICANT
10-11-2018 7:48 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
ringo writes:
So how do you determine how long a year "used to be"?
Isn't that determined by the duration it takes the earth to go around the sun?
How do you look into the past to see how long that "used to be"?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1052 of 1482 (841409)
10-12-2018 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1047 by creation
10-11-2018 11:24 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
ringo writes:
So how do you determine how long a year "used to be"?
Scripture
What does scripture say about how long a year "used to be"? Chapter and verse?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1054 of 1482 (841420)
10-12-2018 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1053 by Phat
10-12-2018 4:14 PM


Re: Creation
Phat writes:
I'm guessing that he will refer to the "day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day" scrip.
That's what I'm expecting too. It doesn't work though. It doesn't give any method for calculating the difference.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1057 of 1482 (841436)
10-12-2018 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1055 by creation
10-12-2018 5:50 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
I'll have to look that up. I have seen it though....
Chapter and verse?

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1063 of 1482 (841518)
10-14-2018 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1062 by creation
10-13-2018 5:31 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
Here are a few sites dealing with the issue I googled.
I asked for Bible chapter and verse, not websites. Did you even read those websites? You could have gotten chapter and verse from them.
So, chapter and verse?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1064 of 1482 (841519)
10-14-2018 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1058 by ICANT
10-13-2018 4:43 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
Are you telling me that red stuff that I got on my hands today when I put ink in my printer was just wavelengths of light?
I'm telling you that the "red" was red wavelengths of light reflected from the "stuff". If you wash off the "stuff" there will be nothing to reflect red wavelengths.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1065 of 1482 (841520)
10-14-2018 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1060 by ICANT
10-13-2018 4:52 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
ringo writes:
How do you look into the past to see how long that "used to be"?
Do you think the trip takes less or more now than it did in the past?
You're getting ahead of yourself. I'm asking how we can look into the past. Until we find a means of transportation, there's no point in asking how long the trip will take.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1066 of 1482 (841521)
10-14-2018 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1061 by ICANT
10-13-2018 5:13 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
Well it is your story but I would have my T bar in my truck.
In the story, you don't have a truck. Don't read things into the story.
ICANT writes:
A cube would be interchangeable by changing its position but try that with your kitchen cabinets and you will have a funny looking set of cabinets.
Not at all. If I say I want a cabinet 12 inches deep, most people will know what I mean. If I say I want a cabinet 36 inches high, most people will know what I mean. If I say I want a cabinet 6 feet long or 6 feet wide, most people will know that width and length are interchangeable in that context.
If I say I want a patio 30 feet wide and 6 feet deep, most people are going to want clarification.
ICANT writes:
In building if the bottom of the foundation is 75 feet below the surface of the sitem that 75' is included in the height of the building.
No it isn't. The height is usually determined from ground level up. Similarly, the height of a flagpole doesn't include the depth of the foundation.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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