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Message 1017 of 1482 (841241)
10-09-2018 8:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1014 by JonF
10-09-2018 7:29 PM


Re: Creation
Hi Jon,
Jon writes:
The first link is tilted by removing three bolts.
And ringo's blond is going to be walking around with a big hex head wrench.
Where I live you could not get a permit to install the first one.
I don't believe I could get a permit to install the second one although it is better design but I would question quality.
The third one would be no problem to get a permit for. It is big enough and strong enough to withstand 160 mile hour winds. There would be a requirement at the location the top was when down to fasten the mask too. The building department or an engineer would give the requirements for the concrete pads size, according to the size of the pole.
But remember ringo's pole was only 14' 8".

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 1018 of 1482 (841243)
10-09-2018 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1016 by JonF
10-09-2018 8:18 PM


Re: Creation
Hi Jon,
Hi Jon,
Jon writes:
There are no Jesons.
What are Jesons? I know of a Jesons limited company that manufactures adhesives and emulsions. I used their adhesive.
Jon writes:
Your definition is appropriate for some circumstances and inappropriate for others, such as relativistic analyses. It is an incomplete definition.
Why do you think my definition is wrong for relativistic analysis?
Jon writes:
You've admitted that the units with which we measure time are arbitrary and chosen for convenience:
The base numbers could be anything as long as we have a concept of how to use those numbers.
Jon writes:
And the map is not the territory. Time exists and we measure it.
Existence is and you measure the duration between events in that existence with what we call time whether it be kept by a watch, clock, or atomic clock.
But you can not measure time.
If you think so explain what it is that you are actually measuring.
God Bless,
Edited by ICANT, : No reason given.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 1019 of 1482 (841245)
10-09-2018 9:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1010 by DrJones*
10-09-2018 6:39 PM


Re: Creation
Hi Dr,
Dr writes:
What gives is that you shone red light on a white cloth and got some red back.
Actually I got a very pale pink.
Red ochre when processed produced a dye that will make that white piece of cloth a crimson red. That my eyes recognize as crimson red, not a pale pink.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 1021 of 1482 (841247)
10-09-2018 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1005 by JonF
10-08-2018 9:23 PM


Re: Creation
Hi Jon,
Jon writes:
(This sort of thing happens, except for the location. It's difficult to do using atomic clocks because you have to account for relativistic effects from differences in altitude and velocity).
Do you have to allow for any relativistic effects if the atomic clock is in the lab with you?
Jon writes:
While looking stuff up I found Wikipedia: hour
Does any numbers you or anyone could come up with change the duration between sunrise and sunrise? I say no.
Does any numbers you came up with change the duration between events in existence? I say no.
Jon writes:
There are actually three slightly different systems in use; which one you use is decided by convenience.
Two of those definitions say the units of time we use is defined by the rotation of the earth relative to the sun.
My definition of time.
Time is a concept developed by mankind to measure the duration between events in existence (eternity).
Jon I would like to know what you have to measure while doing an experiment other than duration between two or more events in that experiment. Other than ingredients.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 1026 of 1482 (841268)
10-10-2018 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1024 by ringo
10-10-2018 12:17 PM


Re: Creation
Hi ringo
ringo writes:
I described an actual flagpole.
I haven't seen a flag pole yet that was not fastened to something above ground that was anchored in the ground or the part of the pole was buried in the ground. So you would need to give quite a bit more information.
I used one I am familiar with.
ringo writes:
Which is why the woman did it the easy way.
For a 14' 8" pole she did it the hard way.
You could measure that pole with a 25' tape with no problem.
No disassembly of the pole to lay it on the ground.
ringo writes:
The point of the story is that length and height are the same thing.
So the Empire State Building is 1,454 ft in length to the tip. The Eiffel Tower is 984 ft in length.
I don't find that description of either.
ringo writes:
I brought it up because you seem to be very confused about measurement.
I am not so confused that I do not know that a rectangle box has length, width and height.
God Bless

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 1027 of 1482 (841269)
10-10-2018 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1023 by ringo
10-10-2018 12:06 PM


Re: Creation
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
That shows that the colour of the sheet is determined by the light that it reflects.
quote:
In physics, a color is visible light with a specific wavelength. Black and white are not colors because they do not have specific wavelengths. Instead, white light contains all wavelengths of visible light. Black, on the other hand, is the absence of visible light.
is white a color - Google Search
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 1028 of 1482 (841271)
10-10-2018 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1022 by JonF
10-10-2018 8:21 AM


Re: Creation
Hi Jon,
Jon writes:
Infinitesimal Jesus's holding all the subatomic particles in the Universe in place. There's a picture but I can't find it now.
That is not necessary I think scientist calls what holds the universe together Dark Energy.
So all Jesus does is supply the energy to hold it together. Remember He is all energy literally all everything.
Jon writes:
space-time.
space-time does not exist, there is only existence.
Jon writes:
Interesting question, but no answer is required to know that we are measuring something. As when we measure the rate at which an object falls. Did Galileo know what he was measuring?
If you are measuring something you have to know what you are measuring it with.
I don't know if Galileo knew he was trying to measure the duration from release to stop. But I will assume he was trying to figure out how long it took from the time he turned it loose until it stopped. He was a smart man.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 1033 of 1482 (841279)
10-10-2018 10:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1030 by JonF
10-10-2018 4:49 PM


Re: Creation
Hi Jon,
Jon writes:
Yes, but you do not have to know the fundamental nature of what you are measuring.
We measure duration between events with a clock of some type that is based on seconds, minutes, hours etc.
We measure distance from one place to another with a system of fractions of inches, inches, feet, yards, miles, etc.
You can't swap the two methods so you do need to understand a little about what you are measuring. The method of measuring volume would not work on either distance or duration.
Jon writes:
They were about gravity.
So Galileo was trying to figure out why something dropped.
That should have been a no brainer. The air was not thick enough to hold it up.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 1034 of 1482 (841280)
10-10-2018 10:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1029 by ringo
10-10-2018 4:39 PM


Re: Creation
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
That agrees with what I said. The pink colour of the sheet is caused by the reflected red wavelengths. When white light shines on the sheet, all wavelengths are reflected.
I used a light that had a red bulb and red lens to get the pink reflection on the white cloth. I can put the Red ochre on the white cloth and it will not cause the surrounding area to reflect pink. In fact white will begin at the edge of the red ochre.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 1036 of 1482 (841282)
10-11-2018 12:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1031 by ringo
10-10-2018 5:21 PM


Re: Creation
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
I've told that joke many times and nobody but you has ever had any trouble understanding it. There's plenty of information.
InMessage 1000 you said:
ringo writes:
Blonde joke:
ICANT says to his blonde assistant, "We need to measure the height of this flagpole but I can't figure out how to get up there."
The blonde takes a wrench, undoes a couple of bolts and lays the flagpole down on the ground. Then she takes a tape measure, stretches it out and announces, "Fourteen feet and eight inches."
ICANT stands there shaking his head, "Typical blonde. I ask her for the height and she gives me the length."
2 bolts means the 14' 8" pole was supported in two directions. It would need four bolts to be supported where it would not fall in a little breeze.
If it was bolted to an object that was buried in the ground two bolts would be sufficient.
But why bother taking the pole down.
ringo writes:
How do you propose to line up the end of your tape measure with the top of the pole from 14' - 8" away?
I would pull out about 10' of tape and run it up the pole until the tape was at the top of the pole. I would press the tape with my left hand 6' off the ground and pull out more tape that I could fold at the bottom of the pole. I would read the tape and announce the height of the pole to be 14' 8".
BTW Just so you know I can extend my tape 8' straight out from my body without it bending so there is no problem extending it 8' above my head.
ringo writes:
All I have to do is rotate it 90.
So rotate the Empire Building 90 degrees and tell me how long it is.
The Empire State Building is 424 feet long or wide on 34th st which ever suits you. The depth is 187 feet on 5th Av and it stands 1454 feet high from ground to tip.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 1037 of 1482 (841287)
10-11-2018 3:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1035 by DrJones*
10-10-2018 11:15 PM


Re: Creation
Hi Dr,
Dr writes:
do you understand the red ochre is not light?
I even know what ochre is.
Ochre is a natural pigment from yellow to deep orange or brown. Used throughout history, these permanent pigments can be safely mixed with other pigments.
Red ochre is a variant of ochre containing a large amount of hematite, or dehydrated iron oxide, has a reddish tint known as "red ochre"
If I understand why I see different colors it is that light waves reflect off objects and hit the light-sensitive retina at the back of my eye. That's where cones come in. Cones are one type of photoreceptor, the tiny cells in the retina that respond to light.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 1044 of 1482 (841367)
10-11-2018 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1041 by ringo
10-11-2018 11:41 AM


Re: Creation
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
Again, you're proving my point. It's only the light that is red and that is only because of its wavelength. Different wavelengths interact with our eyes differently, which is why we see different colors. Different wavelengths also interact differently with different substances, so we wouldn't expect the same red light to reflect in the same way from red ochre and from white cloth.
The human eye picks up the colors if the person is not color blind.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 1045 of 1482 (841370)
10-11-2018 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1042 by ringo
10-11-2018 12:05 PM


Re: Creation
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
In the joke, the ICANT character couldn't figure out how to measure the pole. Presumably he had already tried your way and it didn't work. Maybe he didn't have a stiff enough tape measure with him that day.
Then you should have used someone else's name as I am a contractor that drew my own blueprints.
ringo writes:
I asked how you would line up the end of your tape with the top of the pole. That's hard enough to do accurately from two feet away.
Then you have never built as many things as I have and made hundreds of those kind of measurements.
ringo writes:
Try doing that in the wind.
And again, in the joke, the ICANT character couldn't figure out how to do it. Everything he had tried had failed.
In the wind is no problem just use the 35 foot tape which has a 1 1/4 inch wide tape. The 25' tape has a 1" wide tape.
If that fails just hang the 6' T bar over the top of the pole and measure to the base of the pole add the 72 inches to what the tape reads at the bottom of the T bar and you got the answer.
ringo writes:
You point out the flaw in your own question. The length or width are whatever suits me. The dimensions are interchangeable. You have to specify more than "width" or 'length" if you want an accurate answer.
Neither the (width) length or depth are interchangeable with the height of the Empire State Building.
ringo writes:
In English, we would seldom use the word "depth" that way.
I take it you have never worked around a construction project.
I am going to assume you have cabinets in your kitchen.
Pick out any cabinet in the kitchen and give me the width, height, and depth of that cabinet.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 1046 of 1482 (841371)
10-11-2018 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1043 by ringo
10-11-2018 12:08 PM


Re: Creation
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
So how do you determine how long a year "used to be"?
Isn't that determined by the duration it takes the earth to go around the sun?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 1058 of 1482 (841489)
10-13-2018 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1049 by ringo
10-12-2018 11:42 AM


Re: Creation
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
The same red is seen the same way. There is no "red" in the ochre or the light bulb. The red is the wavelength of the light - i.e. it is a property of the light.
Are you telling me that red stuff that I got on my hands today when I put ink in my printer was just wavelengths of light?
I used gasoline and lacquer thinner trying to get those light wavelengths off and I still have red stains on my hands.
How do I get them off?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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