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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You really should start your own cult based on your weird readings of the Bible. No Christian has any reason to listen to you.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
chiroptera writes: I think that business owners should sometimes put values and ethics above making that next dollar. I'm just disappointed that Phillips chose the wrong side of this issue to engage that principle. He chose God's truth over any other principle, as a Christian must do, no matter what the consequences from people who can't understand such a choice. But once again, let's try to be clear that this is about an objection to gay marriage, and not in any way is it discrimination against gay people as such, who are welcome to any other product the store offers, welcome to sit down and have a pastry and coffee, welcome to anything but the baker's endorsement of gay marriage. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't want this to get lost. The following is the biblical reason Christians reject gay marriage, no matter what ringo says about it:
Gen 2:24 writes:
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. Jesus in Mat 19:4-5 writes:
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh...
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But of course what you think about it is totally irrelevant. Christians know it means God ordained marriage between a man and a woman and anything else is against His ordinance. Whatever you think, this is what these business owners are acting on. I guess you can refuse to accept it and punish them for it, but it's still what they are going to act on whatever you say or do about it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
OK, so the law is against our religion. That is indeed how it has seemed. So much for not prohibiting "the free exercise thereof..."
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I guess I wasn't paying attention to the context, I thought he was talking about the US law.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So the UK court wouldn't do us any good, and despite the temporary reprieve for Philips I really don't think the US courts are going to do any better in the end.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yeah, well if SOME Christians understand gay marriage to be a violation of those scripture references, who happen to be in fact the ones who refuse to serve a gay wedding, most others not having a problem with it, since they aren't really Christians in my opinion, but anyway, those who do refuse on the basis of our biblical religion, are the ones targeted by the law. And I see that you really have no respect whatever for freedom of religion, so we can just throw that biblical ordinance out the window, right?
There's only one issue here although it keeps getting twisted out of recognition: either the scripture we regard as God's ordinance of marriage is respected by the secular law as it always used to be, or it isn't and we are headed full bore back to paganism. All the rest of this nonsensical discussion is irrelevant and should have been over long long ago.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
... whether that newly recognized marriage right can be wielded not only as a shield in defense of same-sex unions but also ” as in this case ” a sword to attack others for adhering to traditional religious beliefs about marriage.” That certainly says it. It's probably going to get worse though. Simply expressing the opinion that gay marriage is a violation of God's law could become subject to punitive action. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh we'll be punished for it. I wonder if they'd put someone my age in a cell for that crime.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
LGBT activists care. A lot.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So one would think, but things are moving against that supposed right.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The "tough" part seems to be the question whether creating specifically a wedding cake for specifically a same sex wedding is an expression of acceptance. Me, I don't think so, and I think Ginsburg and Sotomayor's dissent in Masterpiece is a good explanation why. NOBODY gets to define this except a Bible-believing Christian such as those who refused to serve a gay wedding, some five or six businesses altogether, makers of wedding cakes, designers of flower arrangements, and a wedding photographer. Judges and others can say whatever they want, it's the Bible believer who acts on his/her conscience who will obey God and nobody else and take whatever the secular society metes out for the "crime." Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm sure you will do what you can to grind us all down to something you find manageable, but that doesn't stop the fact that we obey God and not you, whatever "rights" you grant or don't grant. Do your worst.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I was responding to AZ's wish to grind my religion back to the stone age and rid society of us. You might pay attention to context.
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