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Author Topic:   Falsifying a young Universe. (re: Supernova 1987A)
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Message 779 of 948 (841295)
10-11-2018 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 775 by ringo
10-09-2018 11:54 AM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
Man has no clue about creation and universities are the most clueless of all on the issue.

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Message 780 of 948 (841297)
10-11-2018 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 774 by RAZD
10-09-2018 9:36 AM


Re: Voyager 1 enters new space
I will allow for man knowing about what the fishbowl is like. The voyager is in the fishbowl. Not even a light day away.
Even there you admit the info is indirect. Ha.

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Message 781 of 948 (841298)
10-11-2018 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 772 by Tangle
10-09-2018 3:05 AM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
You were misinformed.

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Message 784 of 948 (841381)
10-11-2018 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 782 by Larni
10-11-2018 9:29 AM


Re: A couple questions for creation ...
Science doesn't know. It just believes real hard.
So we can believe what we like.

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Message 785 of 948 (841382)
10-11-2018 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 783 by ringo
10-11-2018 12:42 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
Your failure to get it does not mean it ain't there.

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Message 793 of 948 (841428)
10-12-2018 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 786 by Larni
10-12-2018 3:39 AM


Re: A couple questions for creation ...
Since you do not argue science doesn't know, then we would look somewhere else for the answers. So what best fits the bible? I would say a recent creation of the earth and universe. Therefore the best fit for what time would be like is different out there. Otherwise, we get old ages.

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Message 794 of 948 (841429)
10-12-2018 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 791 by dwise1
10-12-2018 5:23 PM


Re: A couple questions for creation ...
Science sits in their little fishbowl of time and space. One observation point in a vast universe. How it is in their view and perspective is not how it is outside of the fishbowl.

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Message 797 of 948 (841497)
10-13-2018 5:44 PM
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10-13-2018 1:24 AM


Re: Voyager 1 enters new space
The limits of where probes have been are clear. It has been almost no where at all..one lousy light day...even less. Forgive me if I do not accept your belief that this is how all of God's universe has to be.
If man goes further than the fishbowl (which merely represents where we have gone) gets bigger. Not even a light day yet!!!!!
As for the indirect measurements we get from the probes, it would take another thread to discuss whether they could be misread. Not that it matters since the fishbowl is so comically tiny!!!

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Message 799 of 948 (841514)
10-14-2018 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 798 by RAZD
10-14-2018 11:40 AM


Re: Voyager 1 enters new space
No. In other words the fishbowl is where you live and where you experience time and space here, and is no bigger than where we have been and know about. Divide the 14 billion light years or whatever you claim the universe to be by light days! Then you will see that the limits of where man has been represents almost nowhere in the universe.
There is nothing to deny whatsoever here in the fishbowl. What I question is your unsupportable beliefs about what is in the far universe.
Science predicts based on realities here in the fishbowl. That premise is no good unless the time and space in the far reaches of the universe are the very same as here. The fact that things less than one light day away seem to be similar means nothing. You only have blind faith.

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Message 801 of 948 (841528)
10-14-2018 3:38 PM
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10-14-2018 1:27 PM


Re: Voyager 1 enters new space
Don't try to look to other faiths to excuse having one.
I do not plan to get into fulfilled prophesy here, and other proofs of Scripture.

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Message 804 of 948 (841686)
10-19-2018 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 802 by Coragyps
10-14-2018 3:53 PM


Re: Voyager 1 enters new space
The Tyre whose king is Satan? Something tells me that involves more than just ancient Tyre.

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Message 805 of 948 (841687)
10-19-2018 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 803 by RAZD
10-14-2018 6:10 PM


Re: Voyager 1 enters new space
There is no evidence for distance to SN1987a. What is used is faith alone n the form of lines that are supposed to represent equal time and space. All based on the view from earth and area.
When science cooks up a new godless explanation pulled from it's tiny bag of tricks, it is based on faith alone. Like 'gee, if the comets did not fill the oceans, I guess the asteroids must have dunnit'
In the case of Voyager, it is less than a light day away so is irrelevant to the topic of the far universe.
Not having experienced anything different yet has no meaning to the far universe at all.
Even so, I notice they still found they had it wrong in some ways! Ha.
"
On August 25, 2012, something dramatic happened: Voyager 1 stopped getting hit with particles and started detecting cosmic rays for the first time. But the magnetic field didn't change direction, which is what you'd expect if the spacecraft had left the solar system.
So Voyager 1 appears to be in a strange, unexpected region, and scientists aren't sure why such a strange place exists"
At the Edge of the Solar System, Voyager 1 Finds a Mystery

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Message 808 of 948 (841712)
10-20-2018 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 806 by Son Goku
10-19-2018 4:35 PM


Re: Confusing
Interesting claims. Let's look at the first one. So we see light bent where a star is. You claim that star is distance X. Tell us how you think that the bent light fits your distance.
Remember, if the star distance was not known, neither would it;s size, etc etc be know. So yes there is bending of light possibly caused by gravity of some sort out there. That would be true at almost any size and distance I suspect?

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Message 809 of 948 (841713)
10-20-2018 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 807 by RAZD
10-20-2018 7:21 AM


Re: Voyager 1 enters new space ... maybe
If you look at this pic,
https://www.sciencenews.org/...les/images/voyager_oort_0.jpg
you see a little yellow dot in the center. Some folks include the Oort cloud and comets whose orbits involve the sun as basically part of the solar system. (either way it goes to showing how far voyager has gone)
So far I guess we could say Voyager has went approx to the edges of the yellow dot!! So, in the universe, that is nowhere. Yes, they experienced some surprises even in the yellow dot. Whoopee doo.
In the SN lines you drew, one line goes from the edge of the ring to the center..right? Then you use that line with lines drawn to earth...right? If so there is a problem here that is fatal.
We do not know what time is like where the star is. So any line from the center of the star area to the rings or whatever would represent unknown time and space. You cannot draw a line to earth, and then measure the whole thing as if it represented time and space here. That is religion. Playing games.
I think that covers your points.
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Message 814 of 948 (841746)
10-21-2018 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 811 by RAZD
10-20-2018 11:15 AM


Re: Voyager 1 enters new space ... Voyager 2 follows ...
Oort cloud....the possibly imaginary cloud helps show how small the area of what we normally think of as the solar system really is.
Bottom line, people that have not even been a light day away, and who do not even so much as know what time is either, are in no position to teach us about the unknown time in far far space.
Your formulas to measure stars depend on the space and time being equal. That is not known. We do know what it is like on earth and the area of the solar system. Not there.
Voyager 2 getting out there also. Interesting Let's wait and see if the edges of the solar system on that side yield similar results. No use speculating.

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