Importance of Original Sin

Just had to give this from your quote some special space of its own. Engels yet. Yes indeed. Truth from the mouth of a Communist. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

That's close but the main thing about baptism is that it officially includes believers in the Body of Christ. In a sense it is an outward representation of the "baptism in the Holy Spirit" which Christ gives us. It is crucial to understand this. Jesus died IN OUR PLACE, as the sacrificial lamb to pay for OUR SINS. WE deserve that death plus an eternity of suffering but He took it all on Himself so that we don't have to suffer it. The terrible death shows how terrible our sins are that He paid for in our place. It saves us from sin because He paid it all for us. It's clear your context is Roman Catholic from the mention of confession but of course Protestants also must confess our sins, only not to a priest, but to God Himself and to each other where appropriate. The reason for continually being cleansed from our sins by repentance and obedience to God's moral law is that this is what we are saved FOR. The whole story is that the human race became sinners and enemies of God when Adam and Eve disobeyed His command not to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. That was the Fall at which our spiritual capacity for communication with God was lost. But from that point on God promised that He would send us a Savior from our fallen condition, the Messiah or Anointed One, who finally came, and that is Jesus Christ. His death pays for our sins, removes the curse of the Fall, reinstates our spiritual capacity and even more than that unites us to Himself through the indwelling Holy Spirit. And inaugurates a brand new Creation in which we will eventually be "Sons of God" and without any more tendency to sin. The entire human race is destined for Hell by nature because of our fallen condition. Some who nevertheless obey God's Law intuitively are probably saved but all we know for sure is that those who believe in the sacrifice of Christ to pay for our sins are saved, and that includes millions of people from all cultures because of missionaries who have taken the gospel to them. Old Testament Jews were saved, however, by believing what light they had through God's revelation in their time. There are some things in it that will probably never make sense to any of us until Jesus returns, but that's the reason for living by faith.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Not even the fact that millions of others have thought so and many even written extensively about it. Not even a little bit of a reason?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Scripture defines it as violating God's Law. That just means that some have more sensitive consciences than others do, not that there is any objective difference in what sin actually is. Jesus said that sin is basically in the heart, but sinful deeds are clearly sinful.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Lots of people don't just believe lots of silly things these days. That idea in itself is a silly thing people believe though. It's really a stupidly ignorant belief that is held by more and more people all because of some stupidly ignorant propaganda. The history of Christianity shows a very high level of intellectual and social thought that makes today's political and social thought look idiotic.The fact that there are historically such great minds and souls in support of Christ really ought to dissuade you from dismissing them as just a bunch of silly people and take seriously that they have something important to say to you. There is no such question from the point of view of those who do hold these beliefs, or who appreciate what Christianity has done for the world, it's only in the mind of people who have no clue to any of it. Unfortunately such techniques are utterly incompetent to answer the questions you are asking. Which is the only kind of answer your techniques could give you and it is ridiculously inadequate to the task, as if you asked a fish to judge an elephant. I don't agree with Phat about much and I would never call an unbeliever an automaton (though I doubt Phat did either), and of course unbelievers experience all the things you mention and think they are happy with that too. I don't question any of that. I also know unbelievers have a conscience and a moral sense because those are God-given faculties. We're all made in the image of God. But salvation and knowledge of God are something else, something we lost at the Fall that can only be reclaimed by believing in Christ. You are a very high and noble creature with an immortal soul and you can't find that out with your investigative techniques. But fallen man has become like a beast and thinks he is a beast. Toss him such pearls and he tramples them underfoot Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Except that Ilsam is patently evil and idiotic. That's the difference.

You were answering me and I was only talking about Christianity. I'm not going wrong at all, you are. Believers know the answer so have no reason to question. There aren't any. Believing is what Jesus tells us to do. If you want a technique of investigation instead, forget it, there aren't any.

By their doctrines.

I agree with you that the culture of the times is important for understanding what Jesus meant, or any other part of the Bible for that matter, but I disagree strenuously that No. Jesus said nothing political. Zip. That is complete poppycock. Standard evangelical preaching, as well as Reformed preaching which is more my part of the Church, is generally very well grounded in the culture and historical context of the time of Christ, and in in fact all the different time periods covered in the Bible throughout the Old Testament as well, and nobody tries to force anything on them. That information is used to bring out the meaning of the texts. I don't know where you get such silly ideas about traditional Christianity.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Huh?

Translation of "huh" = I can't answer you if you aren't specific about what Jesus said and why you think it means what you said.

OK, how about by their suicide bombings and their other jihad killings? But the point is it follows from their doctrines.

You've said absolutely nothing GDR to indicate what YOU think the paragraph means. You have to make your case, I can't read your mind.
But I'm beyond caring at this point after this kind of foolery from you.Specific stuff about the temple is specific stuff about the temple and it was far more about the fact that it ended the sacrificial system forever because Jesus our Sacrifice had come, than it was a political event. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I don't "treat" homosexuals any differently than I treat anyone else.

Yes it is.