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Message 450 of 1184 (841929)
10-23-2018 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 449 by Percy
10-22-2018 9:15 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
You're primed and loaded and completely missing the point, half shot. Neither of us worries about "somebody kicking in my door," but you're the one placing yourself in greater danger by having firearms around the house, particularly that are loaded and not locked up.
quote:
According to the FBI, the U.S. Department of Justice, and other reputable sources, in the United States:
One property crime happens every 4 seconds.
One burglary occurs every 20 seconds.
One violent crime occurs every 25 seconds.
One aggravated assault occurs every 45 seconds.
One robbery occurs every 90 seconds.
One rape or attempted rape occurs every 5 minutes.
Home Invasion Crime Statistics and Facts:
According to a United States Department of Justice report:
38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions.
Over 2,000,000 homes will experience a break-in or burglary this year.
There are over 4,500 home burglaries per day in the United States.
The average number of home invasions per year was 1,030,000 between 1994 and 2010.
Whether it is workplace violence, home invasions, car jacking, armed robbery, rape, identity theft or any of a number of other crimes, YOU need to take control and arm yourself with the best available preventive measures.
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quote:
Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed. Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.
This is a quote from a study ordered done by Obama. You can find the report for sale at Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence |The National Academies Press.
It was funded by the National Academy of Sciences and both the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the CDC Foundation.
quote:
How many home invasions were stopped by guns?
The government doesn't put a lot of emphasis on defensive gun use. Estimates show that 500,000 to 3 million defensive gun uses occur each year.
How many times do victims use a gun to scare their offender?
A shocking 2.5 million victims use a gun to scare their offender. That's almost 5 law-abiding citizens a minute. However, victims only shoot their offender 8% of the time. They mostly use the firearm to scare their offender away.
23 Home Invasion Statistics You Should Be Afraid Of
Percy writes:
Each year a shocking 2.5 million victims use a gun to scare their offender...
This would be just incredible if true. You've got 2/3 of homeowners scaring off their offenders with guns when only 1/3 of households have guns. Are burglars somehow drawn to households with guns?
Do you ever put your brain in gear before you speak/type?
In 2017 there was 126.22 million households in the US.
2/3 thirds of that is 84,146,666 households. 1/3 thirds is 42,073,333
million households.
• U.S.: number of households 1960-2021 | Statista
Crime victims are not necessarily always victims of home invasions or burglaries. Many of those defensive uses of weapons take place other than in the home.
Percy I know you were probably taught to check your brain when you entered the classroom and that is the reason for your utter contempt for guns or gun lovers. So we will never agree on anything concerning guns so it is a waste of time for either of us to continue to discuss the situation so '30'.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 451 of 1184 (841930)
10-23-2018 11:10 PM
Reply to: Message 449 by Percy
10-22-2018 9:15 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
People would gradually regain their sanity and find safer hobbies,
Guns for me is not a hobby. It is a Constitutional right preserved for me by our founding fathers. As long as I have my guns I can eat.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 453 of 1184 (841965)
10-24-2018 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 452 by Tusko
10-24-2018 6:13 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Tusko,
Tusko writes:
In a country with the population of the US, don't you find the idea that there is only one burglary every 20 seconds incredibly heartening? The chances of it happening in a given household, at those rates, are pretty tiny.
Actually I am appaled at the thought of one burglary every 20 seconds taking place anywhere.
When I was growing up our front door had a cord that went through the door hanging down on the outside on the inside there was a 2' piece of 1x4 fastened to the door at the center of the door. The cord was attached to this board close to the edge of the door. There was a piece on the door frame fixed so the board rested in it. This was the locked position. But you could open the door from the outside so it was not a lock but just a latch.
In the area I lived in we never had any burglaries. If you needed something your neighbor had you just asked for it, or to borrow it.
In other words if everyone believed as I do and practiced living a life like I do there would not have to be locks on anything even the banks. Obama described me pretty well when he made his comments about clinging to their guns and religion.
I believe in God and live my life preparing for the moment I meet Him face to face and give an account of the time, talent and opportunities He has given to me during my 79 years here on earth.
Since I am faced with that meeting I try to live my life obeying the 2 commandments He gave to me when He said:
quote:
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
So I am to love God above all else, and I am supposed to love you just as much as I love myself.
If everybody was to do that the world would be a much better place in which to live and we would not be having this discussion about gun control.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 457 of 1184 (841976)
10-24-2018 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 454 by ringo
10-24-2018 1:49 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
So, "loving your neighbour as yourself," means being prepared to shoot him if he steps out of line?
When it comes to the point my neighbor is fixing to harm me or my wife, yes I would blow his/her brains out.
There is nothing about those two commandments that tells me I have to let my neighbor kill or harm me or my wife.
My mind is conditioned that when I would see a weapon of any kind that is being positioned to bring harm to me or anyone around me reflexes would take over without even thinking as my actions would be automatic. I know you don't understand that but I can't help you there.
Remember I would not shoot anyone offensively but in defense it will work automatically.
That is the reason a person pulling a phone out of his/her pocket when standing before a policeman with a revolver in hand shouting orders or reaching for their back pocket usually end up dead. If the policeman has to think he is usually the one that ends up dead.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 462 of 1184 (841985)
10-24-2018 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 458 by ringo
10-24-2018 3:39 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi ringo
ringo writes:
Don't go with your instincts; do what's right.
So me not blowing his/her brains out and allowing him to kill me or worse wound me incapacitating me for the rest of my life, would be the right thing to do in your sight.
And no I don't act by instinct. I was trained in the military by our finest to the point that there is a reaction for every event in combat and self preservation. I have continued that training each year since my discharge. So I am trained to react to events without thinking that is not instinct as it would be much slower.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 464 of 1184 (841988)
10-24-2018 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 459 by Straggler
10-24-2018 5:10 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Straggler,
Straggler writes:
You sound like an absolute menace to society.
A menace to society is someone or something that threatens to cause evil, harm, injury, etc.; a threat:
I have never threatened anyone, caused harm or injury to anyone nor have I ever caused any evil.
But because I am prepared if I meet a menace to society to protect myself from such a person you say I am that menace.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 465 of 1184 (841989)
10-24-2018 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 461 by Percy
10-24-2018 8:22 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
I've already said I don't have anything against hunting rifles. We've been talking about handguns.
I squirrel hunt with a 22 pistol.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 471 of 1184 (842004)
10-25-2018 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 466 by Straggler
10-25-2018 2:39 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Straggler,
Straggler writes:
Yes. One error of judgement on your part and it’s head blowing time.
The error of judgment would be on your part or other person.
You could meet me everyday of your life on the street or sidewalk as we passed going to work or shopping and you would never know I was packing heat.
Now if one day as we approached one another and you pulled a revolver out of your belt or holster with intent to rob or hurt me
you better be ready to use it because if you stop to think you will be dead. I can assure you I know what a weapon is at first glimpse and will act accordingly.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 476 of 1184 (842013)
10-25-2018 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 472 by Percy
10-25-2018 10:19 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
Your figure of a burglary every 20 seconds across the entire US is actually good news.
1 burglary in 1000 years in the US would be too many. No one has any right to enter someone's house and remove anything from the house.
If something is not yours leave it alone or if you find it return it to the rightful owner.
Percy writes:
I'm curious. Do you now understand that you can't have 2/3 of households using guns to scare off criminals when only 1/3 of households have guns?
What kind of fuzzy math are you using?
In 2017 there were 126.22 million households in the US.
Since there is no countrywide database where people register whether they own guns or not you can only guess at how many households have guns in them.
In 2017 the Gallup and the Pew Research Center had 42 percent of the people surveyed said they lived in a household with guns in the house. If there is 42% that will admit to having a gun in the house there is probably at least 20% who have guns that will lie and say no.
If you call me and ask if I had guns in the house I would say no. If you came to my door and asked the same question I would say no. If you were sitting in my living room and asked me the same question I would say no. Yet one would be within reach of my hand. I would not know what your intentions were regardless of what you said your reasons for asking was.
But lets just go with the poll mentioned above at 42%.
That would mean there are 53,012,400 households in the US with guns in them.
So why is it so impossible for 2/3 of the 3 million homes where burglaries occur have guns in them. People that have guns usually live in areas where crime is much higher than people who do not have guns.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 477 of 1184 (842015)
10-25-2018 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 474 by ringo
10-25-2018 11:51 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
Not my sight. It's what Jesus said:
Where did Jesus say that?
The Bible says: "a time to kill". Ecc. 3:3
The only time I can see that is when someone is trying to kill you.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 479 of 1184 (842018)
10-25-2018 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 475 by Percy
10-25-2018 12:32 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
Your lack of any Christian sense of value for human life is noted.
I value all life. I do not kill animals I do not intend to use for food. I have never killed more than I was able to consume before it spoiled.
I value the life of an unborn child that exists at conception.
Don't give me the argument about a woman having control over her own body. She could do that before she has sex with a male. Either protect or don't have sex, as she is in control. Then when she wants to have a child have unprotected sex.
Percy writes:
Policemen firing on people with cell phones is just one of the reasons why we have to take guns away from the police, too.
All they have to do to not get shot is obey the office when he says drop it. Put your hands on the top of your head. People who do those things when told too don't get shot.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 480 of 1184 (842019)
10-25-2018 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 478 by Straggler
10-25-2018 2:36 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Straggler,
Straggler writes:
So you are ncapable of any error of judgement? Unbelievable.
Actually Robocop made mistakes.
I train regularly to minimize any possibility of making a mistake. But in all my years of owning and carrying guns I have never made a mistake. I have never even come close to having to use my weapon. I hope that continues the rest of my life. But incase the situation ever arises I will be prepared.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 491 of 1184 (842036)
10-25-2018 7:19 PM
Reply to: Message 481 by ringo
10-25-2018 3:25 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi ringo
ringo writes:
I cited Matthew 5:38-39. Didn't you read my post?
quote:
Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
That don't say anything about a fellow fixing to kill me with a weapon.
It is talking about a man slapping you on one cheek (since you would be still standing to be able to turn the other cheek he did not use his fist) so you turn the other cheek. If he uses his fist and knocks you down you either stay on the ground or if he comes after you, you return in like kind. But if you turned the other cheek and he slapped it then there are no instructions after that.
ringo writes:
Ecclesiastes 3:8 says, "a time of war." That would be when there would be a time to kill.
If a person begins to present a weapon to kill me he has declared war on my life and I will do my best to kill him/her before they kill me. If you don't like that fine. You can stand there and let someone shoot you or chop you up with a axe if you want too. I will not.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 492 of 1184 (842038)
10-25-2018 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 483 by Percy
10-25-2018 4:02 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
There are around 75 hunting related fatalities each year. Given that you feel that even one burglary is one to many, isn't that 75 too many hunting related fatalities? How do you justify hunting at all?
I don't hunt with other people and I will not shoot myself.
In the past I have hunted squirrels 4 and 5 days a week. All I had to do was go out in the back yard to the hammock and hunt away. I never had to shoot at a squirrel more than twice with my pistol.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 493 of 1184 (842039)
10-25-2018 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 486 by ringo
10-25-2018 4:48 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi ringo,
ringo writes:
I'd like to see the NRA advocating for grenade-launchers, RPGs, and all types of infantry weapons. Then maybe people would see how stupid that argument is.
But those are already against the law.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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