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Message 69 of 232 (842121)
10-26-2018 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by PaulK
10-26-2018 5:44 PM


Yes it is too much to ask. It's your job to make your case. And besides I'm not the only one you are supposedly making your case to so you need to quote the verses you are referring to for them anyway.

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Message 79 of 232 (842168)
10-27-2018 3:06 PM
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10-27-2018 12:01 PM


My what assertive blather. You wouldn't happen to have a bit of evidence for any of it would you?

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Message 80 of 232 (842169)
10-27-2018 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Dr Adequate
10-27-2018 11:12 AM


Re: Neither Flood Geology nor Geocentrism is in the Bible
Unless you show specifically where I've described Flood geology as "biblical" I figure you're blowing hot air.

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Message 81 of 232 (842170)
10-27-2018 3:08 PM
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10-27-2018 11:11 AM


Unless you produce evidence that I said such a thing you are just blowing hot air.

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Message 82 of 232 (842171)
10-27-2018 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Paboss
10-27-2018 2:32 AM


Re: Discussing Bible contradictions to examine Bible Inerrancy
I don't say the KJV is inerrant, it's a translation, translations aren't inerrant. I thought you wanted to know what translation I use.

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Message 83 of 232 (842172)
10-27-2018 3:11 PM
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10-27-2018 3:45 AM


None of that reflects anything scientific at all, not geocentrism or any other scientific ism.

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Message 84 of 232 (842173)
10-27-2018 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by GDR
10-27-2018 2:07 AM


Re: Word of God is both Christ and Scripture
I'm suggesting that Christians such as Faith seem to believe that if people believe the right doctrine that they get eternal life.
Your usual ridiculous straw man. We are to PUT OUR TRUST IN JESUS CHRIST'S DEATH ON THE CROSS TO PAY FOR OUR SINS. That is how we are saved. That is not some dead doctrine, that's the work of the living Christ I'm talking about.l

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Message 86 of 232 (842175)
10-27-2018 3:23 PM
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10-27-2018 3:20 PM


Then, as I asked the stormy one, prove it. I have no reason not to take it as simply descriptive of the order of Creation in ancient terminology.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 90 of 232 (842210)
10-27-2018 8:11 PM
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10-27-2018 7:18 PM


Re: Martin Luther told us humans not to compromise scripture with (heliocentric) science.
Please quote.
Evolution requires death, scripture says death didn't enter until the Fall.

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Message 91 of 232 (842211)
10-27-2018 8:12 PM
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10-27-2018 4:20 PM


Re: Word of God is both Christ and Scripture
Just to be clear: do you think that doctrine is false?

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Message 93 of 232 (842214)
10-27-2018 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Paboss
10-27-2018 8:14 PM


Re: Discussing Bible contradictions to examine Bible Inerrancy
Yes only the original autographs are inerrant. No you can't test them. You aren't being asked to test them. The Chicago Statement is a Statement, not a proposition or an argument.
Different accounts of unimportant events don't affect inerrancy. As the Statement says (you should read it) precision is not expected.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 95 of 232 (842221)
10-28-2018 2:08 AM
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10-27-2018 8:31 PM


Re: Word of God is both Christ and Scripture
Just to be clear: do you think that doctrine is false?
Yes, but not in the way that I believe that you understand it. You have said in the past that personal salvation is the major point of Christ dying on the cross.
It's THE point, ieverything begins there. We have to be changed and salvation changes us, cleanses us of sin and fits us for God's Kingdom.
The whole Israelite system of sacrificing animals for the remission of sins is fulfilled in His death on the cross. The animals were killed to pay for the sins of the Israelites and He died for the sins of all who believe on Him.
some passages from the Book of Hebrews writes:
Heb 2:14 -17 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people....
Heb 7:22-28 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. 23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: 24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Therefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. 26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. 28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore....
Heb 9:11-15 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. 13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance....
Heb 10:8-24 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God. 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. 18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. 19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; 21 And having an high priest over the house of God; 22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised 24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works...
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I see the cross and the resurrection as the launch, and the affirmation of a Kingdom movement on Earth that is charged with reflecting God's love into His creation.
That's sort of what my view is too except you slight the cross itself and salvation itself, the great sacrifice Christ made so that God's Kingdom COULD come, dying a death He didn't deserve to defeat the devil who had held humanity captive, to overthrow the curse of the Fall, to open the way for an entirely new creation.... You treat Christ as nothing, you deprive Him of the glory and worship He deserves for His great sacrifice.
If Christianity is primarily about who is in and who isn't in the next life,
That is such a trivializing idea. It's not "about" that at all. It's about the formation of the Kingdom you think you are talking about, by saved people since that is the only kind of people who can form the Kingdom of God, a people made sinless through Christ's sacrifice for us, a people set free from the curse of the Fall, a people ultimately possessing the very nature of Christ. Sinners can't form the Kingdom of God.
it misses the point of what Jesus was all about. That is not to say it doesn't matter but if we follow Jesus' model of love, forgiveness, mercy, justice etc, personal salvation will take care of itself and I'll leave it up to God as to how that looks instead of worrying about it myself.
You are denying the entire history of Christianity but clearly you are convinced of your view and that appears to be that.
As the Bible says, God will judge our hearts. It doesn't say that God will judge our doctrine.
But if our doctrine is false so will our hearts be. If our doctrine tells us we have to kill people who don't believe as we do our hearts will believe that too and act accordingly. But if our doctrine tells us that God loves us and sent His Son to die so that we don't have to suffer for our sins then we will have a heart full of love and gratitude to God and an eagerness to do what He asks us to do. "Whoever is forgiven much loves much."
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He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
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Message 101 of 232 (842255)
10-28-2018 3:49 PM
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10-28-2018 2:35 PM


Re: Martin Luther told us humans not to compromise scripture with (heliocentric) science.
yes it does.

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Message 102 of 232 (842257)
10-28-2018 3:50 PM
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10-28-2018 11:33 AM


Re: Word of God is both Christ and Scripture
I don't know what you think you are arguing with since I said pretty much the same thing.

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Message 104 of 232 (842259)
10-28-2018 4:09 PM
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10-28-2018 3:53 PM


Re: Martin Luther told us humans not to compromise scripture with (heliocentric) science.
Death entered with sin, scripture says that. And the Fall is implicit throughout the Bible. The fact that the Creation will be remade when Jesus returns is evidence.

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