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JonF
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Message 1126 of 1482 (841948)
10-24-2018 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1125 by creation
10-24-2018 10:09 AM


Re: Creation
X acts as Y, therefore Z acts as Y. Yeah, that's logical.

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ICANT
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Message 1127 of 1482 (841971)
10-24-2018 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1124 by creation
10-24-2018 10:05 AM


Re: Creation
Hi creation,
creation writes:
Eve was made too, no?
That depends upon which woman you are talking about.
The woman in Genesis 2:22:
quote:
Genesis 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
God took a part of this man who had been formed from the dust of the ground at a later event in duration and cloned a woman from that part. These 2 people were placed in a garden and the man was forbidden to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
The woman in Genesis 1:27:
quote:
1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
This man and woman was created (spoke into existence) at the same time and was not forbidden from eating fruit from any tree or herb on the earth.
quote:
Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Notice the underlined words says nothing about a garden nor is any fruit from any tree forbidden to them.
This couple was never placed in a garden and forbidden to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
So to answer your question the woman cloned from the part of the man in Genesis 1:22 required God to do work meaning He did something to make her. He had also made, formed the man from the dust of the ground which required Him doing some work.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 1128 of 1482 (841974)
10-24-2018 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1125 by creation
10-24-2018 10:09 AM


Re: Creation
Hi creation,
creation writes:
Fountains from the inner earth that had a pattern of watering the earth at certain times were not springs. There was different times of the day, for example the cool of the day. No rain. So it is logical to assume some founts would have some ebb and flow. [
You can assume anything you want to assume. That does not make your assumption correct.
I live in Florida and we have many famous springs that water flows out of. So I am very familiar with springs. I would assume that Silver Springs Florida just outside of Ocala Florida is our most famous spring.
It expels about 400+ million gallons of water per day. The volume has decreased during my lifetime from over 700 million gallons per day. That reduction is due to the water table being reduced in the aquifer reducing the pressure the flow is under.
The Cresent Beach submarine spring has water flow into the Atlantic Ocean at a depth of 20M. The Atlantic has a tide which means the tide rises and falls. The flow of the spring would be a little smaller at high tide and the pressure from the 20+M of water would be greater. It would increase as the tide reduced the volume of water above exerting pressure on the water flow.
There is never a point that the spring ceases to have flow and receives any water back into the ground. This is due to the source of the water that enters the ground and is expelled through the spring is at a higher point than the mouth of the spring.
You can see the boil of the spring in a picture found at: Crescent Beach Submarine Spring – SJRWMD
To have that big of an area of fresh water on top of the ocean require a lot of water coming out of the ground.
Do you understand that the water exiting the spring is under pressure that is pushing the water out against the pressure exerted by the water in the ocean?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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creation
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Message 1129 of 1482 (842067)
10-26-2018 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 1127 by ICANT
10-24-2018 2:07 PM


Re: Creation
Ah, so to prop up your twisted interpretation of created or made you have to invent 2 Eves.
Gong.

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creation
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Message 1130 of 1482 (842068)
10-26-2018 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 1128 by ICANT
10-24-2018 3:01 PM


Re: Creation
Waters from the fount of the deep were not like florida springs. They watered the earth, not some garden is south Miami. The oceans were not even here yet as we know them.

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ICANT
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Message 1131 of 1482 (842077)
10-26-2018 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1129 by creation
10-26-2018 10:20 AM


Re: Creation
Hi creation
creation writes:
Ah, so to prop up your twisted interpretation of created or made you have to invent 2 Eves.
I did not invent anything.
There is a woman in Genesis 1:27 that was created at the same time as the man which was the last items after all other creatures.
There was a woman in Genesis 2:22 that was cloned from the rib from the man that was the first living lifeform on earth. He existed before any plant or animal. The woman was cloned from his rib after all the animals and fowls were formed from the ground, and all plants and trees were in existence.
You have to disagree as that destroys your YEC view. So since you disagree please explain how the two women are one. Better yet explain how the man formed from the dust of the ground in Genesis 2:7 can be the same man created in Genesis 1:27.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 1132 of 1482 (842081)
10-26-2018 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 1130 by creation
10-26-2018 10:22 AM


Re: Creation
Hi creation,
creation writes:
Waters from the fount of the deep were not like florida springs. They watered the earth, not some garden is south Miami. The oceans were not even here yet as we know them.
Do you mean to tell me that there was no water that covered the entire earth at Genesis 1:2?
I think that would be classified as an ocean.
But I did not know that YEC's believed there was a time when there was no oceans.
I do believe there was a time in the past that there was no oceans only a river that divided into 4 rivers to water the earth along with the mist. But that existed in the beginning and is required to have all the material that produced all the oil in the earth.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Aussie
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Message 1133 of 1482 (842093)
10-26-2018 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1130 by creation
10-26-2018 10:22 AM


Re: Creation
The oceans were not even here yet as we know them.
Would you mind pointing out the Scripture that stated the Oceans were not here 6,000 years ago as we know them today?
If you can't, can we just agree you are completely making stuff up?
Thanks.
Edited by Aussie, : Bad grammar

"...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"

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Aussie
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Message 1134 of 1482 (842096)
10-26-2018 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1121 by ICANT
10-24-2018 2:18 AM


Re: Creation
Aussie:
I suspect you are a bit smarter than you are letting on.
ICANT:
I doubt that as my memory is getting slow and weak, that is what happens when you get old.
...unlike your sharp-shooting skills with a deadly weapon. That, according to you, is just as good as it was in your prime. Can we kill two birds with one bullet in this post by clearing up once and for all that with your declining memory and reaction time, you, in your advanced age, are not as sharp a shooter as before... and are thus inadvertently introducing a greater threat to the general public? No, I guess we will be unable to admit this...
I do know that darkness is the absence of light.
I also know that light is the absence of darkness.
Different colors are produced by the different sensations on the eye produced as a result of the way the object reflects or emits light. Some people don't see colors as you do.
Without light there is no color period.
Your understanding of light and darkness is elementary, like a young child's. You don't know enough to ask reasonable questions, or make intelligible comments about basic physics.
"... darkness is the absence of light. I also know that light is the absence of darkness."
I mean, no shit Sherlock. This is how a five-year-old might try to explain it. You don't know; you have absolutely no idea.
But can you answer my question from before:
Does God emit electromagnetic radiation from himself?
Does his Spirit shoot out actual photons?
Because that could be interesting!

"...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"

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creation
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Message 1135 of 1482 (842158)
10-27-2018 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1133 by Aussie
10-26-2018 12:25 PM


Re: Creation
There were seas. Can you point out any verses that says there were oceans, or separate continents..etc? What we do know is that water was brought to earth from windows of heaven resulting in even the highest mountain of the day to be totally submerged.

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creation
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Message 1136 of 1482 (842159)
10-27-2018 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1132 by ICANT
10-26-2018 11:42 AM


Re: Creation
Hey, we don't know if there were oceans or not. There were seas.
As for when God separated the land from water, we don't know that this resulted in oceans.
Edited by creation, : No reason given.

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creation
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Message 1137 of 1482 (842160)
10-27-2018 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1131 by ICANT
10-26-2018 11:12 AM


Re: Creation
Gen starts off in the first verse telling us it was already finished. Done. Complete. So whatever we see in the rest of the chapter has to be read with that in mind. The woman talked about there was the one already created. It just tells us some details of how.

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Aussie
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Message 1138 of 1482 (842218)
10-27-2018 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1136 by creation
10-27-2018 2:18 PM


Re: Creation
Hey, we don't know if there were oceans or not. There were seas.
*sigh*
God moving on the face of the deep?
His Spirit hovering over the face of the water?
Some firmament in the midst of the waters?
Before God caused the dry land to appear?
So before there was dry land there was only water... but it was only a global sea not a global ocean...right? Are we playing semantics?
You and ICANT are getting painful to read. Please post smarter.

"...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"

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creation
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Message 1139 of 1482 (842235)
10-28-2018 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1138 by Aussie
10-27-2018 10:50 PM


Re: Creation
What there was was water and apparently more, since the stuff was divided from the land. Whatever water there was in no way had to be the oceans we know today.

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ringo
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Message 1140 of 1482 (842245)
10-28-2018 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1136 by creation
10-27-2018 2:18 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
Hey, we don't know if there were oceans or not. There were seas.
"Sea" is a generic term that also applies to oceans. There's no point in making a distinction between them.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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