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Message 494 of 1184 (842044)
10-25-2018 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 487 by Percy
10-25-2018 5:39 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
This is just a silly off-topic rant - there's been crime since the beginning of time. You're ignoring what you can't rebut.
It was no rant. I have never taken anything that was not mine without bartering for or paying for said item. So yes I feel that 1 crime is too many. Now you pass a law I can't have my constitutional right to bear my arms and I will probably break that law.
Percy writes:
would you arm yourself if the gun had a greater chance of killing you than the burglar?
Since the burglar is not going to get into my house without me knowing it before he gets to the house, I would say my chances of surviving would be 100%. If I didn't know he was coming and he had a gun I would have 100% chance of being killed.
Percy writes:
Did you check out the link I provided a few posts ago:
Yes I did. How do they determine how many households have weapons in them? There is only two ways. Call on phone and ask or go door to door and ask. Either way your are not going to get a correct answer. If you think so I got some nice high dry swamp land I will sell you here in Florida.
Percy writes:
You can debate the figures all you like, that last link also says:
Your link: about 10 percentage points since its peak in 1993.
The first chart shows 42% saying yes to having a gun in the house. Which verifies my information you vilified.
Percy the older you get the more incorrigible yo become.
Percy writes:
Admitting that you're a liar when it comes to guns isn't going to help you make your case.
I have never been asked so I have not lied. You sure have a tendency to jump to conclusions.
Percy writes:
That's fine, the point doesn't change, I'll just substitute the value you prefer. Do you understand that 67% of households can't be using guns to scare off criminals if only 42% of households have guns?
Percy are you saying it is impossible for 67% of the 3 million+ households guns couldn't be used to scare off criminals.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 495 of 1184 (842046)
10-25-2018 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 488 by Percy
10-25-2018 5:50 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy
Percy writes:
As the Police Shootings thread clearly documents, police commit unjustified shootings all the time, especially when cameras are present to contradict the official police report. You're living in your own gun fantasy world where everyone who gets shot deserves it.
I met a retired Police Sergeant of 15 years on the Chicago police force in the Cayman Islands in 1994. He purchased a 4 bedroom waterfront condo and paid $725,000 US cash for it. So there is a lot of bad cops out there. There are also a lot on the force that should not be on the force. They panic when put in certain situations that they haven't really been trained for.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 496 of 1184 (842047)
10-25-2018 8:42 PM
Reply to: Message 489 by Percy
10-25-2018 5:56 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy
Percy writes:
Of course you've made mistakes.
Yes I have made many mistakes in my life time Percy.
But I have never made one with a firearm and I have never pointed a gun at anything I did not intend to kill, and my kill rate is 100%.
I have been blessed to the point I have never had to point my gun at a human. I hope that continues throughout the rest of my life.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 497 of 1184 (842048)
10-25-2018 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 490 by Percy
10-25-2018 6:58 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy
Percy writes:
The only animal he apparently hunts is squirrels, no stopping power required.
Bear, deer and gators are a little larger than a squirrel or rabbit.
Added by Edit
Percy writes:
Your average gun owner *is* the problem. They don't realize they're a danger to themselves and all around them. Look at ICANT. He doesn't even lock up his guns and ammunition.
Why should I lock up my guns or ammunition?
Percy writes:
I think a .22 in competent hands is good for far more than gophers, but the modern hunter is spoiled. He wants a high caliber bullet with excellent stopping power that can bring down that buck no matter how bad a shot he is.
Rabbits and squirrels and gophers but I don't know why gophers they don't eat too good. Turkey if you can hit his head while he is running and smaller birds.
But to bring down a deer with a 22 you have to hit the juggler vein and then follow him for about a half mile before he will bleed down and stop then you can finish killing him with your knife by cutting his throat. Do not attempt shooting a bear with a 22 you will only make him mad.
A 30.06 is a nice rifle for deer, a 4040 craig for bear.
God Bless,
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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 501 of 1184 (842052)
10-25-2018 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 499 by Percy
10-25-2018 9:16 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy
Percy writes:
gun fantasies like yours
I don't have fantasies about guns. Uncle Sam taught me to be an expert in weapons.
I have continued training from the time I left service until now. I go regularly to the firing range and practice.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 504 of 1184 (842075)
10-26-2018 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 503 by jar
10-26-2018 9:04 AM


Hi jar
Nice Piece.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 509 of 1184 (842091)
10-26-2018 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 505 by Percy
10-26-2018 11:19 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy
Percy writes:
More absurd bragging. So what happens after that first shot misses? Does the squirrel just sit there instead of turning into a blur, waiting for the second shot?
If I missed him with the first shot it was because he was running or jumping from one tree to another.
Percy writes:
That's absurd, too. Why do you think people are going to believe your silly stories? it's impossible that an area within range of your hammock would sustain that many squirrels over a period of weeks.
You sure do know a lot especially since you don't have any facts.
From the farm house I was living in at the time it was 2 miles to the east to a road of any kind with a stream running from the road the house was on. The stream was running southwest. South behind the house it was 12 miles to a dirt road running east and west. To the west it was 14 miles to highway 98. So yes there was plenty of woods to produce all the squirrels we could eat. My sister lives in that house today and the lay of the land has not changed.
Percy writes:
So any crime is one crime too many, but if they pass a law you don't like you'll break it and commit a crime. Inconsistent much?
I did not say any law. I said if you passed a law that would take away my constitutional right to bear my arms I would probably break that law. That would go for any other law that that infringed upon my constitutional rights.
Percy writes:
Here's a link to the original paper which explains the methodology and inherent accuracy problems in great detail: Gun Ownership in the United States: Measurement Issues and Trends, see the sections on Data Sources and Measurement Issues. Getting into such detail would make this post far too long, but to mention just one issue they describe, you'll get different answers depending upon whether the question specifically excludes air rifles, pellet guns, starter pistols, and firearms that are antiques or no longer operable.
As I said they either use information received by asking questions over a phone or going door to door.
And yes a lot of people would be willing to tell you they had an air gun that is used for killing rodents. But when asked about a shotgun or rifle they would not admit to owning one.
But I don't know of any phone poll or door to door poll that covered every household in the US. A certain number of households are polled then an average reached then applied to all households. I did polls for Gallup when I was in college so I do know how they work.
God Bless,
Edited by ICANT, : No reason given.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 511 of 1184 (842094)
10-26-2018 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 505 by Percy
10-26-2018 11:19 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy
Percy writes:
So now you're changing your story? Now you hunt bear, deer and gators,
I said I hunted squirrels with my 22 pistol. Closest to the house for killing a bear was 6 miles. Closest to the house for killing a deer was about 300 yards. Wild hogs in the yard, and garden.
Percy writes:
Why are you asking me? What do they teach you in firearm education classes?
That a weapon that is not accessible in less than a second can cost you your life.
If you have to open a safe to get your weapon then go in a different room and open another safe to get the bullets then load the gun what do you think an intruder would be doing all that time. You think he would be sitting in your recliner waiting for you to get prepared to defend yourself?
Under those circumstances I would agree with you that it would be more dangerous to have a gun in the house than not having a gun in the house.
Percy writes:
I think this'll be the third or fourth time I've said that I don't have strong feelings about what caliber rifle is used for hunting. Use whatever caliber rifle makes sense for what you're hunting. Just make sure it's a hunting rifle, not an assault rifle.
What do you classify as an assault rifle?
Definition of an assault rifle: a lightweight rifle developed from the sub-machine gun, which may be set to fire automatically or semi-automatically. assault rifle definition - Google Search
Notice to be classified as an assault rifle it has to be capable of firing automatically. Meaning you pull the trigger and hold it in that position and the rifle will empty the magazine or if it is belt fed fire until you release the trigger loose.
An AR15 is not an assault weapon. It is against the law to manufacture and sell a fully automatic weapon for civilian use in the US.
You can modify the AR15 with a bump stock that makes it fire fully automatic. So yes make bump stocks illegal. But there are weapons I will not mention that are much more deadly and could kill a lot more people than an AR15 could.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 512 of 1184 (842095)
10-26-2018 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 510 by Percy
10-26-2018 12:19 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
You have fantasies about yourself that revolve around guns.
Would you like to come down and go to the firing range with me?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 525 of 1184 (842240)
10-28-2018 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 513 by Aussie
10-26-2018 2:05 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Aussie,
Aussie just because I am a few hundredths of a second slower now than I was 20 years ago does not mean it don't work. It is just a few hundredths of a second slower. The end result is the same. My hand and my eye is just as good as they were 50 years ago.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 526 of 1184 (842248)
10-28-2018 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 517 by Percy
10-26-2018 3:20 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy
Percy writes:
Will you take a firearms safety course and do what they say, including locking up your firearms?
Why would I want to take a safety course in firearms?
I have taken many defensive courses in firearms.
As I have said before a gun for defensive reason is useless in a safe and unloaded. If you can't access it within one second you will probably die if someone wants to kill you.
I have a shotgun that has only been unloaded when being cleaned since 1954. It has never been locked up in a safe. It stays in reach from the front door. Although you would not be able to see it and would not know it was there unless I showed you where it was. But it is accessible in one second if I am looking out the peep hole.
This gun has never killed anything that was not aided by a human.
So the gun is not what is dangerous. The person holding the gun is the problem. A gun can be used as a tool or in the hands of a morally corrupt person filled with hate it can bring much devastation and carnage. The gun is just the tool they choose. There are tools that would bring about greater devastation and carnage if used properly.
You keep wanting to blame the gun but without a human having that gun in their hand it will never hurt anyone whether it is loaded or empty locked up or not. As I said the gun is not the problem.
Humans are the Problem
I am sure my solution for the problem would be much different than yours. You want to make guns un-accessible to law abiding citizens. Which would have no effect on crooks or people who wanted to kill a bunch of people.
I say the moral compass of mankind needs to be changed which would take a miracle. One that only God can perform. But He has to have the corporation of mankind to accomplish such a feat.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 529 of 1184 (842253)
10-28-2018 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 516 by Percy
10-26-2018 3:14 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
If you want to be technical about it, sure, but in everyday speech people refer to semi-automatics as assault weapons or assault style weapons.
Have you ever been in a gun store and asked to buy an assault weapon?
The shop owner would tell you he had single shot guns that break open, bolt action, pump action, and gas operated semi-automatic firearms. But he would tell you he had no fully automatic weapons.
In skilled hands the pump action is the fastest firing weapon when firing for accuracy.
Percy writes:
But what does it matter what they're called?
You get the privilege of calling them a weapon of war which a
semi-automatic rifle is not.
Percy writes:
What matters is how dangerously inappropriate they are for people to own.
Now you are making pronouncements on your own bias.
When are you going to get it through your thick skull that the gun by itself is not dangerous and has never harmed anything animal, or human, by itself.
A car is a useful tool. Haul stuff like groceries, etc. Transport people to and from work or recreation. But put a drunk person behind the wheel and it becomes a tool of mass destruction. Put a terrorist behind the wheel and it can do a lot of damage.
So why are you not pushing for elimination of vehicles of all kinds, look what the 2 airplanes did in New York.
There is no difference in guns and vehicles. It only takes a loose nut to wreak havoc with either. Neither will cause bodily harm to anyone by themselves.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 531 of 1184 (842270)
10-28-2018 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 514 by Percy
10-26-2018 2:27 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
I'm sure there were, but not from your hammock.
Since you appear to be a city slicker and have no idea what a hammock is other than that thing that swings between two posts or trees that you can recline in I will forgive your lack of knowledge.
quote:
Hammock is a term used in the southeastern United States for stands of trees, usually hardwood, that form an ecological island in a contrasting ecosystem. Hammocks grow on elevated areas, often just a few inches high, surrounded by wetlands that are too wet to support them.
what is a hammock in florida - Google Search
This is a fair description of a hammock in Florida. Although there are people that has one that swings between supports like the one found at the following website.
Best Indoor Hammock Bed. Snooze in Style! | OutsideModern
The creek that runs behind the house has a hammock on both sides that is between 1/2 mile wide to 1 1/2 miles wide 7 miles of that creek is accessible in each directions NE and SW from the house. The creek area is populated with turkeys, ducks, deer, squirrels, fish, snakes, a black panther ranges up and down the creek as well as a couple of bear as they move from area to area.
Percy writes:
No, neither phone (usually) or door to door.
quote:
Three sources on trends in gun ownership are examined: 1) the GSS, 2) Gallup, and 3) the composite trend across all items in the IPOLL database.
GSS personal-interview survey (door to door)
Gallup has used phone since 1980's.
IPOLL is a joke as they claim to pay people (which most never receive) to do surveys. Answer by phone and finish on internet.
I said the information had to come from door to door interviews or phone calls. What has changed.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 535 of 1184 (842340)
10-29-2018 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 534 by Percy
10-29-2018 9:00 AM


Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
A bullet fired at an elevated angle, such as at a squirrel in a tree, will travel in an arc and eventually come to earth still traveling at a lethal velocity.
That is the reason you have to hit the squirrel and use low powder shells.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 537 of 1184 (842348)
10-30-2018 12:34 AM
Reply to: Message 536 by Percy
10-29-2018 7:31 PM


Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
Your squirrel hunting is a menace to everyone in the woods within a mile of your house.
Sorry to disappoint you but the closest neighbor is a mile and half away. But the direction I shoot there is no one in 10 miles or more.
People who get killed or injured by falling bullets is bullets that are fired in celebrations such as July 4 or other occasion. gravity controls the speed of these bullets as they have to stop going up before they come down and they will only fall so fast. Solution to problem use blanks they don't have lead, copper, or steel in them.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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