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PaulK
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Message 106 of 232 (842266)
10-28-2018 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Faith
10-28-2018 4:13 PM


Re: Bible is geocentric (but I think we covered it up)
Let me note that that text is simply dishonest and evasive.
It does not address the evidence of geocentrism, it just says that there isn’t an explicit statement of geocentrism.
Which isn’t surprising - the worldview of Genesis 1 doesn’t include the universe as we now know it. There isn’t really any point in an explicit statement. The fact that the Sun, Moon and stars are all described as being attached to a dome covering the Earth makes it quite clear.

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Message 109 of 232 (842285)
10-29-2018 2:00 AM


So when does Biblical Inerrancy stand up to the objections?
So far we haven’t seen much of a defence. The objections are winning hands down.
It’s as if the thread title was just empty bluster.

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Message 112 of 232 (842289)
10-29-2018 5:09 AM
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10-29-2018 5:00 AM


Re: So when does Biblical Inerrancy stand up to the objections?
Oh. So Bible Inerrancy is a false and anti-Biblical doctrine held in spite of the truth. That’s fine. It’s incredibly irrational and unChristian but if that’s the way you want to go, that’s your business.
I assumed that the title meant that the objections could be sensibly answered. I now understand my error - but you have to admit it was a bit misleading. Perhaps Bible Inerrancy is an Invincible Lie would have more accurately stated your intent.

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Message 115 of 232 (842292)
10-29-2018 5:29 AM
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10-29-2018 5:22 AM


Re: So when does Biblical Inerrancy stand up to the objections?
quote:
They just figure you don't understand anything about truth, and you don't.
Please tell me your idea of truth since it is both contrary to logic and correspondence theory. (Odd that such widely accepted ideas should be rejected as lacking understanding, but still)

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Message 124 of 232 (842339)
10-29-2018 5:51 PM
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10-29-2018 5:22 AM


Re: So when does Biblical Inerrancy stand up to the objections?
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They just figure you don't understand anything about truth, and you don't.
Come on Faith, are you going to back this up? Or is it just a silly personal attack with no substance. (You can guess what I think).

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Message 128 of 232 (842396)
10-30-2018 5:55 PM


Biblical Inerrancy is a fraud
The reason why the objections to Biblical Inerrancy is rejected is that Biblical Inerrantists don’t care about what the Bible says.
The geocentric cosmology of Genesis 1 is dishonestly evaded.
Message 83 Message 105
Acts is read out of context to pretend that Peter accepted that Ananias and Sapphira had a right to hold back money when Peter was only stating that they had no excuse for doing so. Even after being corrected in this very point
Message 713
Faith even falsely claims that discriminating against gays is following God’s law when there is no law in the Bible that justifies such discrimination in violation of the secular law - which the Bible commands Christians to obey. Message 1186
Anyone who really believed the Bible would do none of those things.

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Message 144 of 232 (842494)
11-01-2018 5:59 PM
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11-01-2018 4:45 PM


Re: Interim note
Please do read your sources, and bring their arguments here. I will enjoy further demonstrating why your reliance on them is foolishly wrong.

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Message 153 of 232 (842579)
11-03-2018 6:13 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by Faith
11-02-2018 6:55 PM


Re: Replying to several of your messages...
quote:
And i'll say again that the Fundamentalist Movement which was a reaction to nineteenthy-century Modernism/Liberalism goes back only that far but bible inerrancy is one of the "fundamentals" of the faith that they sought to affirm that does go back to the beginning.
And I will point out again that a statement produced in the 1970’s is not good evidence that it did.
You have yet to address the point that the disagreements between Mark and Luke/Acts indicates that the author of Luke and Acts did not accept Mark as inerrant.
quote:
That is what the Chicago Statement says, in Article XVI: "WE AFFIRM that the doctrine of inerrancy has been integral to the Church's faith throughout its history. WE DENY that inerrancy is a doctrine invented by scholastic Protestantism, or is a reactionary position postulated in response to negative higher criticism." [This latter statement is what is implied in equating it with the Fundamentalist Movement as you are doing.]

They can deny all they like. It doesn’t offer much help for your case.
So, are you actually going to produce evidence? Or at least deal with the evidence to the contrary ?

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Message 184 of 232 (847937)
01-29-2019 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Faith
01-29-2019 4:29 PM


Re: death penalty.
You mean the way that Trump is certain that the Central Park Five should be executed even after they were found to be innocent ?

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Message 186 of 232 (847948)
01-29-2019 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by Faith
01-29-2019 4:41 PM


Re: death penalty.
I’m pointing out that I don’t want someone like Trump anywhere near death penalty decisions.
I’m also pointing out that false certainty is a real thing.
And finally if you think that public opinion doesn’t influence jury trials you are being very naive.

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Message 196 of 232 (847985)
01-30-2019 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by Faith
01-29-2019 5:25 PM


Re: death penalty.
quote:
We have an obligation to get it right.
Trump’s idea of “getting it right” includes executing people for crimes they didn’t commit. You have called for show trials and executions of opposition politicians.
And what if the system is flawed so that we will get it wrong ? Are you really saying it is better for innocent people to be killed than to let the guilty serve long jail terms instead of being killed ?

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