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Author Topic:   Falsifying a young Universe. (re: Supernova 1987A)
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Message 815 of 948 (841747)
10-21-2018 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 813 by Son Goku
10-20-2018 5:24 PM


Re: Confusing
OK, so if we do ignore how far a star is, show us one star that examples your claim..?
Colors from stars: The problem is if we were only able to detect say, 50% of what is out there (or any other % than 100%) then what we see streaming into the fishbowl would not represent what is out there in any meaningful way.
We may only be seeing part of the picture, of things we happen to be able to detect.

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Message 818 of 948 (841782)
10-21-2018 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 816 by RAZD
10-21-2018 10:04 AM


Re: Voyager 1 enters new space ... Voyager 2 follows ...
Current space time model in many ways may be validated...on earth, and the solar system.
How shallow.

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Message 819 of 948 (841783)
10-21-2018 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 817 by Son Goku
10-21-2018 3:48 PM


Re: Confusing
Name a star with a curve that supports GR then, let's have a lookie.
As for your duck parable...GONG. No. A duck is on earth. We can get hold of it. A star is not. Now if ducks exited only far away from the solar system, and we only ever saw them in light as it entered the fishbowl here, well then you may have a point.
Until then, no quacking way.

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Message 822 of 948 (841805)
10-22-2018 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 820 by Son Goku
10-21-2018 6:56 PM


Re: Confusing
Stellar theory is born of religion. It stems from the beliefs of science. It is based on certain rules..fishbowl rules. So whatever they see is and must be interpreted according to the religion. The light they see coming into the fishbowl will look a certain way to them. That does not mean that what they can see (and they admit most of the universe is dark to them) is all that there is out there. Nor does it mean that time is the same out there. What we see take say, a day, could involve a much different level of time out there. Etc.
S0 38 So, rather than get into how far away and big they claim this light to be, can you tell us how it shows time is the same exactly? Redshifted light shows time is the same...how? Ha.

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Message 830 of 948 (841895)
10-23-2018 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 827 by Son Goku
10-22-2018 12:39 PM


Re: Confusing
OK so you seem to be saying/admitting GR does not deal with what time really is, or what it is like in the far universe.
That alone defeats any case you could make.
No distances can be known unless time does exist and exist the same at all points to any star. No event seen here in time has any relative bearing on what time is involved at source! No light can take any known time to get to the area here...etc etc etc.
Your belief ship, the good ship cosmology is now full of holes.

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Message 831 of 948 (841896)
10-23-2018 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 823 by ringo
10-22-2018 11:54 AM


Re: Confusing
Science cannot see outside the fishbowl. Any clues, or guesses/models I would hazard to make on the unknown would have to be based on the known gift of God to man..His word. Otherwise, man must plead ignorance and stop teaching kids and others a bunch of nonsense and godless fables.
I do not need to know all the mysteries of all creation and the created universe. All I need to know is that those claiming they do know are cons.

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Message 836 of 948 (842069)
10-26-2018 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 832 by ringo
10-23-2018 11:39 AM


Re: Confusing
Your idea of science is religion. Calling that reality is cultish ignorance.
As for your claim a small number of people reverence Scripture as a gift from God...ha.

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Message 837 of 948 (842070)
10-26-2018 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 833 by Son Goku
10-23-2018 12:27 PM


Re: Confusing
Well if time is not the same everywhere, why would you claim that light took billions of years our time ti get here?

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Message 839 of 948 (842157)
10-27-2018 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 838 by ringo
10-26-2018 12:02 PM


Re: Confusing
I never said I was smart, that would be you. If science doesn't know, why would I want to pontificate reasons on a science forum??? Are you new to honest debate?

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Message 841 of 948 (842306)
10-29-2018 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 840 by ringo
10-28-2018 2:10 PM


Re: Confusing
I know what science claims to know. I know why. As for being more informed than thousands of little clueless big mouthed worldy wise men...heck, a kindergarten kid could do that! The wisdom of this world is literally absolute screaming foolishness next to the wisdom of God.

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Message 843 of 948 (842366)
10-30-2018 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 842 by ringo
10-29-2018 12:05 PM


Re: Confusing
Alluding to some knowledge science has on origin issues that you do not elaborate on is of no value.

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Message 846 of 948 (842442)
10-31-2018 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 842 by ringo
10-29-2018 12:05 PM


Re: Confusing
You allude to something I do not know about what science claims on origins. Tell us what that is.
I suggest you do not know what you are talking about.
Origin science education washes out the common sense, the truth, the reason, and a sound mind. Therefore a believer in pre school indeed is in far far better shape!

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Message 847 of 948 (842443)
10-31-2018 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 845 by Son Goku
10-31-2018 7:48 AM


Re: Confusing
Relativity does not tell us what time is. Nor would it tell us what any other observation point in the far universe is like as far as time there.

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Message 848 of 948 (842445)
10-31-2018 2:09 PM
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10-30-2018 12:52 PM


Re: Confusing
The belief in creation is not dependent on pagan oppressors running schools in the US actually in any way shape or form.
God says one day all men will know about God. So the truth censoring demoniacs that have offended the kids for so long now will face the music. The truth will march over them.

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Message 852 of 948 (842468)
11-01-2018 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 849 by ringo
10-31-2018 2:18 PM


Re: Confusing
You can't admit the ugly religion origin sciences are all about. So you pretend you know more about the fables of science and what they are based on than others. Gong.

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